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Zach Wilson, QB, Denver Broncos

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Why have we given up on this thread? It's not like there aren't people out there saying it'll happen.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-mock-draft-jets-shake-things-up-and-take-justin-fields-over-zach-wilson-steelers-get-first-round-rb/

I think they'll pick Zach, if they do take Fields it's a no brainer for me, we take Zach.

If somehow they take Mac Jones or Trey Lance, then I think even in our building we'd have a tough time making the decision.

I love how smooth Zach looks throwing, and I prefer his footwork under center, but I think Fields is more accurate, with a slightly bigger arm, and is sturdier and faster.

I'm leaning Fields, but it's close.
[ Edited by 49erBigMac on Apr 11, 2021 at 11:35 PM ]
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Why have we given up on this thread? It's not like there aren't people out there saying it'll happen.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-mock-draft-jets-shake-things-up-and-take-justin-fields-over-zach-wilson-steelers-get-first-round-rb/

I think they'll pick Zach, if they do take Fields it's a no brainer for me, we take Zach.

If somehow they take Mac Jones or Trey Lance, then I think even in our building we'd have a tough time making the decision.

I love how smooth Zach looks throwing, and I prefer his footwork under center, but I think Fields is more accurate, with a slightly bigger arm, and is sturdier and faster.

I'm leaning Fields, but it's close.

I'd probably take Fields.

Wilson looks really slight to me. Listed at 210, but somebody could say 190 and I'd believe it.
What will happen to me if somehow Wilson falls to us:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What will happen to me if somehow Wilson falls to us:


what the f**k
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What will happen to me if somehow Wilson falls to us:


I'd cream my pants if NYJ passed on Wilson.
Still hoping the Jets do something stupid and the Niners can get this guy.

He's a level above the 3 QB's the Niners are looking at.
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
I'm telling yall... I feel like this dude will bust in the NFL.

Yeah, I kind of feel the same. I think there 3 or 4 major question marks for him. He could well be a great NFL QB, but for a top 3 pick there's a not as much certainty to him as you'd like.

1. Injury history/ frame/ taking hits he shouldn't have to: He had an injury to his throwing shoulder in college, which is a bit of a concern. Obviously, he threw the ball really well in 2020, but still it's something to note. Even in interviews, he looks very narrow for a guy about to enter the NFL. Not sure how much he can beef up when he's that narrow. Wilson is a manlet, but he is super wide for his height. This guy mightn't be able to take a lot of NFL punishment, even after adding some weight. There's also his recklessness at times, where he doesn't protect himself enough on runs or tries to make a hero play and gets taken down.

2. 2019 tape: it's very rough for some games. I'd encourage people who want Wilson, to look at a bit of his tape for 2019, just to give a bit of balance. The 2020 tape is fantastic, but the level of opposition was very poor in a lot of the games. He had a lot of time to throw and it made him look God tier. In 2019, he was coming back after the shoulder problem and his accuracy was awful on many throws. The decision making was poor enough as well. For a top 10 pick, you'd like to see a couple of years of top level production to qualm any doubts of it being a flash in the pan. Burrow last year came flying up the draft boards and really excelled his first year, but still that doesn't necessarily allay this concern.

3. Level of competition: you could perhaps make similar arguments for Justin Fields at Ohio State, Mac Jones at Alabama and Trey Lance and North Dakota. I think two things that stand out are; how clean his pocket is on many of his passing snaps which I don't see happen nearly as often for Justin Fields and how poor the ball skills are for the DBs they're playing, especially on deep balls. It shows up a fair bit on tape where the DB has no idea where the ball is and the receiver catches it fine, but it's placed where a DB with decent awareness could definitely make a play on it. It worked out just fine at BYU, but those kinds of throw need to be better in the NFL.

4. Ball placement/ randomly very inaccurate passes: for the most part he was an accurate passer, but on tape there were a lot of drops. When you replay them, you see the ball being placed in awkward spots for the receiver a good portion of the time. When he DID get pressured, especially in the Coastal Carolina game and in film from 2019, he had a tendency to throw the ball wildly inaccurately, even to his check down or to a screen. Often the ball would go way over the head of the intended target.

I think the Niners are the ideal landing spot for him. I think he needs a good line to protect him, especially early and we can scheme things for him to make life easier for him. He really needs to have the hero ball/off script stuff minimized early on and maybe he can go back to it once he's comfortable in the offence. I'm not sure how much you'd want him scrambling either. If he's buying time to make a throw fair enough or if he takes a jog to the sideline for 8 yards, that's fine, but he should be looking to avoid punishment more than most at his size. He probably needs to sit and learn for a while and definitely add a fair bit of weight.

I think if the Jets take him and the line isn't good, I can see a very hairy rookie year for him, where the inaccuracy in the face of pressure could lead to some wtf throws and maybe he gets banged up. He's got a lot of talent and could become a star, but he's still a bit of a risk.
Originally posted by Irishniner:
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
I'm telling yall... I feel like this dude will bust in the NFL.

Yeah, I kind of feel the same. I think there 3 or 4 major question marks for him. He could well be a great NFL QB, but for a top 3 pick there's a not as much certainty to him as you'd like.

1. Injury history/ frame/ taking hits he shouldn't have to: He had an injury to his throwing shoulder in college, which is a bit of a concern. Obviously, he threw the ball really well in 2020, but still it's something to note. Even in interviews, he looks very narrow for a guy about to enter the NFL. Not sure how much he can beef up when he's that narrow. Wilson is a manlet, but he is super wide for his height. This guy mightn't be able to take a lot of NFL punishment, even after adding some weight. There's also his recklessness at times, where he doesn't protect himself enough on runs or tries to make a hero play and gets taken down.

2. 2019 tape: it's very rough for some games. I'd encourage people who want Wilson, to look at a bit of his tape for 2019, just to give a bit of balance. The 2020 tape is fantastic, but the level of opposition was very poor in a lot of the games. He had a lot of time to throw and it made him look God tier. In 2019, he was coming back after the shoulder problem and his accuracy was awful on many throws. The decision making was poor enough as well. For a top 10 pick, you'd like to see a couple of years of top level production to qualm any doubts of it being a flash in the pan. Burrow last year came flying up the draft boards and really excelled his first year, but still that doesn't necessarily allay this concern.

3. Level of competition: you could perhaps make similar arguments for Justin Fields at Ohio State, Mac Jones at Alabama and Trey Lance and North Dakota. I think two things that stand out are; how clean his pocket is on many of his passing snaps which I don't see happen nearly as often for Justin Fields and how poor the ball skills are for the DBs they're playing, especially on deep balls. It shows up a fair bit on tape where the DB has no idea where the ball is and the receiver catches it fine, but it's placed where a DB with decent awareness could definitely make a play on it. It worked out just fine at BYU, but those kinds of throw need to be better in the NFL.

4. Ball placement/ randomly very inaccurate passes: for the most part he was an accurate passer, but on tape there were a lot of drops. When you replay them, you see the ball being placed in awkward spots for the receiver a good portion of the time. When he DID get pressured, especially in the Coastal Carolina game and in film from 2019, he had a tendency to throw the ball wildly inaccurately, even to his check down or to a screen. Often the ball would go way over the head of the intended target.

I think the Niners are the ideal landing spot for him. I think he needs a good line to protect him, especially early and we can scheme things for him to make life easier for him. He really needs to have the hero ball/off script stuff minimized early on and maybe he can go back to it once he's comfortable in the offence. I'm not sure how much you'd want him scrambling either. If he's buying time to make a throw fair enough or if he takes a jog to the sideline for 8 yards, that's fine, but he should be looking to avoid punishment more than most at his size. He probably needs to sit and learn for a while and definitely add a fair bit of weight.

I think if the Jets take him and the line isn't good, I can see a very hairy rookie year for him, where the inaccuracy in the face of pressure could lead to some wtf throws and maybe he gets banged up. He's got a lot of talent and could become a star, but he's still a bit of a risk.

This dude will get crushed in the NFL. Imo he's more overrated than Mac Jones from the stand point some have him rated above Fields which is a joke. Wilson has talent without a doubt, but I can't see him lasting long once he starts taking hits from opposing defenders. I'm also interested in how his confidence holds up once things become challenging overall. I'm very happy the Jets are locked in on him. Thank you NY
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Originally posted by Costanza:
Still hoping the Jets do something stupid and the Niners can get this guy.

He's a level above the 3 QB's the Niners are looking at.

What makes him a level above Fields?
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What will happen to me if somehow Wilson falls to us:


what the f**k

What is this?! lol
What would be the temperature of this thread if the jets took Fields at 2 because they believe he's QB 2 then the Niners take Mac Jones at 3
[ Edited by 49ERnation on Apr 13, 2021 at 9:57 AM ]
Originally posted by 49ERnation:
What would be the temperature of this thread if the jets took Fields at 2 because they believe he's QB 2 then the Niners take Mac Jones at 3

I would be pissed. Unless Mac came out the gate looking great, when he starts playing and Wilson struggled. Even then, there's still a strong chance Wilson is a better QB after 2 or 3 years than Jones is. This is a historically strong QB class, we should be aiming for a blue chip type player, not a guy who can our current system the best, especially when we have a very talented and creative offensive minded HC.

I think with the option of using the QBs ability to run and to really throw the ball down the field to add a lot more variation to the offense, I'd be really disappointed in Kyle not picking someone who could add those elements to our offense when realistically, this is the best and perhaps only opportunity we'll get to get a player like that. We'll probably be picking after 20 for the next few years unless we're decimated with injuries again. There's 3 guys, of which two will be available, with pretty much all the tools in the world to pick from and then there's Mac Jones.
Originally posted by Irishniner:
Originally posted by 49ERnation:
What would be the temperature of this thread if the jets took Fields at 2 because they believe he's QB 2 then the Niners take Mac Jones at 3

I would be pissed. Unless Mac came out the gate looking great, when he starts playing and Wilson struggled. Even then, there's still a strong chance Wilson is a better QB after 2 or 3 years than Jones is. This is a historically strong QB class, we should be aiming for a blue chip type player, not a guy who can our current system the best, especially when we have a very talented and creative offensive minded HC.

I think with the option of using the QBs ability to run and to really throw the ball down the field to add a lot more variation to the offense, I'd be really disappointed in Kyle not picking someone who could add those elements to our offense when realistically, this is the best and perhaps only opportunity we'll get to get a player like that. We'll probably be picking after 20 for the next few years unless we're decimated with injuries again. There's 4 guys, of which two will be available, with pretty much all the tools in the world to pick from and then there's Mac Jones.

Fixed it for you, Trey Lance has all the tools in the world as well.
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