Zach Wilson, QB, Denver Broncos

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

This kid's talent is top notch, no doubt. But it seems like he has all the time in the world to go through his progressions and go deep. I'm not talking about him buying time on his own, I'm talking about clean pockets for days. I just wanna know, How is he under pressure?

I seen him stand tall and deliver with pressure in his face. But yeah his oline been top notch this season and gives him plenty time.

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
This kid's talent is top notch, no doubt. But it seems like he has all the time in the world to go through his progressions and go deep. I'm not talking about him buying time on his own, I'm talking about clean pockets for days. I just wanna know, How is he under pressure?

This is a good question. You Cant really Deny that he is playing behind a really good O-line. IMO their are a lot of things though that lead me to believe he will handle pressure well at the next level.
He has a quick release.
He seems to have really good pocket awareness. (understands where the pressure is coming from).
He knows when he should step up in the pocket, when to side step in the pocket and when to roll outside of the pocket
all these things are really good things to have to counter pressure.You really don't know for sure how he would play behind a worse o-line until he plays behind one though.

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
The issue is there are many QB needy teams. Another team picking ahead of us could very well have the same idea.

So assuming(and it's still early to assume this) we get like 10th pick but Lawrence/Fields go 1/2. Why would the team picking at #3 take our trade offer instead of an equal offer from a weaker team? I would imagine offering up our 2022 1st rounder or whatever we offer the team in question would assume we'd get back on track.

So it's fun to evaluate these guys and say I want him but until we actually see where we pick, who's in the draft and how things unfold it's pointless.

I'd love to have Wilson here but IMO he's playing out of our range. As beat up as we are I don't see us picking early enough to snag him without the trade up and I simply don't know if we'll make that move or have the ammo to make it.

offer more....don't f**k around and get it done I'd call up NY/Dallas or Miami (have Texans pick). It's a QB and if you think he's your LT FQB then no one will care what you give up down the road.

Can't they do the same lol?

If we're the team offering more than the other teams in a trade, then the team holding onto said pick would be foolish (imo) to turn down an offer to gain a huge amount of draft capital. We get what we're lacking (FQB) and the other franchise obviously gets the picks. I hope we're not shy about trying to get Wilson once we see how the draft board settles after the season is over. Look at what the Eagles and Rams gave up for their QBs.

My point was say we're picking 10th and there is a team picking 8th that has a big QB need.

We offer up a 1st this year, 2nd this year, 1st next year and 1st in 2022

What happens if the team picking in 8th spot does the same? Are we going above that? It would probably cost at least another 2nd rounder. Plus say that team is Washington. Who has a brighter future given their current roster which would impact the future picks?

I would think us being a SB team just last year and with all our talent/injuries this year those future picks we offer would be lowered.

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
This kid's talent is top notch, no doubt. But it seems like he has all the time in the world to go through his progressions and go deep. I'm not talking about him buying time on his own, I'm talking about clean pockets for days. I just wanna know, How is he under pressure?

That is why the argument that other QB's have tons of talent around them but Wilson is just going balls out all on his own falls flat to me. He's got a tremendous OL and they have gone up against almost exclusively s**t tier defenses. I'd love to see them get into a big bowl game and see how he responds to facing a defense that will put major pressure on him and knock him on his ass a few times.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Absolutely great point. Murray gaining 7-20 yards on the ground on a play where he is pressured or just a broken play is pretty helpful to the offense. Arizona tied for second best in sacks allowed per game in NFL with 1.2, and it's not due to a great OL.

There talent on the OL is junk. Without question it's the squirrel running around. I mean I don't want a QB like that overall....just a guy that can at the very least be mobile enough to help everyone on offense.

Like Young says there's free yards out there now. You can't hit the QB...you can get 3 extra 1st downs a game just by the QB running. That huge. We're currently missing that element and the element to push the ball downfield. Making things harder than it needs to be IMO.

Originally posted by genus49:
My point was say we're picking 10th and there is a team picking 8th that has a big QB need.

We offer up a 1st this year, 2nd this year, 1st next year and 1st in 2022

What happens if the team picking in 8th spot does the same? Are we going above that? It would probably cost at least another 2nd rounder. Plus say that team is Washington. Who has a brighter future given their current roster which would impact the future picks?

I would think us being a SB team just last year and with all our talent/injuries this year those future picks we offer would be lowered.

I mean those teams ahead of us probably need those picks more than we do as well...would a team like Washington who needs picks/players gonna give up more?

We will see.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

My point was say we're picking 10th and there is a team picking 8th that has a big QB need.

We offer up a 1st this year, 2nd this year, 1st next year and 1st in 2022

What happens if the team picking in 8th spot does the same? Are we going above that? It would probably cost at least another 2nd rounder. Plus say that team is Washington. Who has a brighter future given their current roster which would impact the future picks?

I would think us being a SB team just last year and with all our talent/injuries this year those future picks we offer would be lowered.

I mean those teams ahead of us probably need those picks more than we do as well...would a team like Washington who needs picks/players gonna give up more?

We will see.

And as it was mentioned, if it was a division rival of Washington who we're trying to trade with (say NYG) are they more likely to trade that pick to have that QB in their division or not. Logic says no, but we'll see how the draft board settles in.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Absolutely great point. Murray gaining 7-20 yards on the ground on a play where he is pressured or just a broken play is pretty helpful to the offense. Arizona tied for second best in sacks allowed per game in NFL with 1.2, and it's not due to a great OL.

There talent on the OL is junk. Without question it's the squirrel running around. I mean I don't want a QB like that overall....just a guy that can at the very least be mobile enough to help everyone on offense.

Like Young says there's free yards out there now. You can't hit the QB...you can get 3 extra 1st downs a game just by the QB running. That huge. We're currently missing that element and the element to push the ball downfield. Making things harder than it needs to be IMO.

This is disgustingly true.

We offer up a 1st this year, 2nd this year, 1st next year and 1st in 2022. For Wilson you can't be serious he isn't that great. Lawrence may be the only one worth that much, and that is probably too much for him.

Genus you sure aren't a genius. 3 1s for a QB that hasn't played against a great team this year. You are the worst pretend GM ever.

The Rams went from 15 to 1 to get Goff with the following.

Tennessee gets: Rams' first-round pick (2016), two second-round picks (2016), a third-round pick (2016), a first-round pick (2017) and another third-round pick (2017).
Rams get: Titans' first-overall pick (2016), a fourth-round pick (2016) and a sixth-round pick (2016).

Originally posted by pdfortune:

We offer up a 1st this year, 2nd this year, 1st next year and 1st in 2022. For Wilson you can't be serious he isn't that great. Lawrence may be the only one worth that much, and that is probably too much for him.

Genus you sure aren't a genius. 3 1s for a QB that hasn't played against a great team this year. You are the worst pretend GM ever.

The Rams went from 15 to 1 to get Goff with the following.

Tennessee gets: Rams' first-round pick (2016), two second-round picks (2016), a third-round pick (2016), a first-round pick (2017) and another third-round pick (2017).
Rams get: Titans' first-overall pick (2016), a fourth-round pick (2016) and a sixth-round pick (2016).

I don't disagree with the level of competition statement. However I do disagree that he's not worth moving up for. His skillset is elite,and his arm talent is there and he can make every throw accurately. Wilson is the type of QB that can carry a team when it's down and needs a spark imo. He'd keep us competitive in the division for years to come.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Earlier today on KNBR, #49ers' GM John Lynch confirmed that Adam Peters was in Boise last week to scout BYU QB Zach Wilson, per @CamInman pic.twitter.com/jIeJ5xTjyN

— OurSF49ers (@OurSf49ers) November 13, 2020

[insert shake weight gif]

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

I don't disagree with the level of competition statement. However I do disagree that he's not worth moving up for. His skillset is elite,and his arm talent is there and he can make every throw accurately. Wilson is the type of QB that can carry a team when it's down and needs a spark imo. He'd keep us competitive in the division for years to come.

This. Competition isn't the end all be all. Traits is just as important, especially with the QB position and Wilson has it all. And with regard to his competition, he's doing exactly what is expected when someones level is just above everyone else, he's smashing everybody he faces and standing out as the best player on the field

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

I don't disagree with the level of competition statement. However I do disagree that he's not worth moving up for. His skillset is elite,and his arm talent is there and he can make every throw accurately. Wilson is the type of QB that can carry a team when it's down and needs a spark imo. He'd keep us competitive in the division for years to come.

This. Competition isn't the end all be all. Traits is just as important, especially with the QB position and Wilson has it all. And with regard to his competition, he's doing exactly what is expected when someones level is just above everyone else, he's smashing everybody he faces and standing out as the best player on the field.

Exactly, it would be very concerning if he was struggling to beat low level competition. But he's not, as you said, Wilson is doing everything right and playing like the best player on the field, which he is.

He makes NFL throws with regularity and makes it look easy. He's comfortable with turning his back to the defense on play action (something Jimmy struggles with), manipulates defensive backs with his eyes, reads defenses well, feels pressure, and is mobile enough to keep broken plays alive while keeping his eyes downfield. He seems like the whole package.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Earlier today on KNBR, #49ers' GM John Lynch confirmed that Adam Peters was in Boise last week to scout BYU QB Zach Wilson, per @CamInman pic.twitter.com/jIeJ5xTjyN

— OurSF49ers (@OurSf49ers) November 13, 2020

What that really means is he's not in our radar.