Zach Wilson, QB, Denver Broncos

Originally posted by NYniner85:

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A lot to like about this dude. The biggest concern I have is how small he appears to be. He looks like 200 lbs max. Can his body hold up in the NFL? If he's here, you know he's going to take a beating behind this OL. That's my biggest concern right now.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The HYPE TRAIN doesn't stop on bye weeks!! 🚂#W1LSONHE1SMAN #BYUFOOTBALL pic.twitter.com/BwV7jCznEk

— BYU FOOTBALL (@BYUfootball) November 14, 2020

A lot to like about this dude. The biggest concern I have is how small he appears to be. He looks like 200 lbs max. Can his body hold up in the NFL? If he's here, you know he's going to take a beating behind this OL. That's my biggest concern right now.

Weight, height, and durability aren't all correlated. Look at Murray, he was considered light and there were concerns about his "durability" but he doesn't get hurt. Wilson is mobile, so he really doesn't take that many hits. This has all been disproved by the play of R. Wilson and other smaller QBs. He's also 6'3 so he's not that small.

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:
Weight, height, and durability aren't all correlated. Look at Murray, he was considered light and there were concerns about his "durability" but he doesn't get hurt. Wilson is mobile, so he really doesn't take that many hits. This has all been disproved by the play of R. Wilson and other smaller QBs. He's also 6'3 so he's not that small.

There isn't direct causation between size and durability, but it absolutely is a factor. The correlation exists. The most durable QBs in the NFL weren't tiny.

Murray is a TERRIBLE example. He never gets hit rofl wtf. Russell Wilson is built like a running back. Another terrible example. Zach Wilson isn't the athlete either of these guys are.

edit - I forgot Kyle Murray was 207 lbs at the combine. Makes using him as an example even worse.

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

Weight, height, and durability aren't all correlated. Look at Murray, he was considered light and there were concerns about his "durability" but he doesn't get hurt. Wilson is mobile, so he really doesn't take that many hits. This has all been disproved by the play of R. Wilson and other smaller QBs. He's also 6'3 so he's not that small.

Wilson is a tank, he is built more like a power back than any QB. Murray is 5'10 but he's around 205 and also with a very thick build. Its not just about height but also build and neither of those guys had shoulder injuries in college like Zach Wilson has had. That one is something that teams will definitely be checking out. Looking at baseball pitchers, the guys who have shoulder problems in college tend to see a continuation of that in their major league careers.

Originally posted by Heroism:

There isn't direct causation between size and durability, but it absolutely is a factor. The correlation exists. The most durable QBs in the NFL weren't tiny.

Murray is a TERRIBLE example. He never gets hit rofl wtf. Russell Wilson is built like a running back. Another terrible example. Zach Wilson isn't the athlete either of these guys are.

edit - I forgot Kyle Murray was 207 lbs at the combine. Makes using him as an example even worse.

He doesn't skip leg day, thats for sure.

People must have forgotten what Russell Wilson looked like at the combine. It's okay to like Zach Wilson AND critique his weaknesses.

But he ain't built like this.

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:
I don't disagree with the level of competition statement. However I do disagree that he's not worth moving up for. His skillset is elite,and his arm talent is there and he can make every throw accurately. Wilson is the type of QB that can carry a team when it's down and needs a spark imo. He'd keep us competitive in the division for years to come.

This. Competition isn't the end all be all. Traits is just as important, especially with the QB position and Wilson has it all. And with regard to his competition, he's doing exactly what is expected when someones level is just above everyone else, he's smashing everybody he faces and standing out as the best player on the field.

Exactly, it would be very concerning if he was struggling to beat low level competition. But he's not, as you said, Wilson is doing everything right and playing like the best player on the field, which he is.

He makes NFL throws with regularity and makes it look easy. He's comfortable with turning his back to the defense on play action (something Jimmy struggles with), manipulates defensive backs with his eyes, reads defenses well, feels pressure, and is mobile enough to keep broken plays alive while keeping his eyes downfield. He seems like the whole package.

If he was struggling against low level competition nobody would be talking about him so that is a moot point. Competition does matter. Feasting on weak teams makes people look better. Trading up is one thing, and he very well may be worth it after seeing his full season work, but trading 3 numbers 1s to not move up to number one is a moronic idea. I never stated he wasn't worth trading up for so you're disagreeing with an argument that was never made. Some of you guys think everything BYU does is great like some of my LDS friends.

If they traded 3 number 1s and he wasn't incredible you guys would be the first to complain about how dumb that trade up was. The Goff example from 15 to 1 is way cheaper than 3 number 1 picks.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

Weight, height, and durability aren't all correlated. Look at Murray, he was considered light and there were concerns about his "durability" but he doesn't get hurt. Wilson is mobile, so he really doesn't take that many hits. This has all been disproved by the play of R. Wilson and other smaller QBs. He's also 6'3 so he's not that small.

Wilson is a tank, he is built more like a power back than any QB. Murray is 5'10 but he's around 205 and also with a very thick build. Its not just about height but also build and neither of those guys had shoulder injuries in college like Zach Wilson has had. That one is something that teams will definitely be checking out. Looking at baseball pitchers, the guys who have shoulder problems in college tend to see a continuation of that in their major league careers.

His shoulder injury was a torn labrum, same thing Kittle refuses to get repaired. Obviously he had to because he's a QB, lol. He's listed as 6'3, 210, but imo he's athletic enough to avoid the rush and escape big hits.

Also, there's plenty of time for him to add more muscle to his frame to help him on the next level. I don't think his durability will be an issue.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The HYPE TRAIN doesn't stop on bye weeks!! 🚂#W1LSONHE1SMAN #BYUFOOTBALL pic.twitter.com/BwV7jCznEk

— BYU FOOTBALL (@BYUfootball) November 14, 2020

A lot to like about this dude. The biggest concern I have is how small he appears to be. He looks like 200 lbs max. Can his body hold up in the NFL? If he's here, you know he's going to take a beating behind this OL. That's my biggest concern right now.

Problem i have is dude gonna go top 3, we gonna have to trade up to have a shot, we still winning atleast 6 games, we still have talent out there

He looks the part in some of the stuff I see here (never seen him play an actual game) but he's not falling to SF wherever they are picking - they will probably have to move up. Question is....how much do you give up to get him?

Originally posted by Heroism:

People must have forgotten what Russell Wilson looked like at the combine. It's okay to like Zach Wilson AND critique his weaknesses.

But he ain't built like this.

Agreed. Looks as douchy as ever at the combine

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

Weight, height, and durability aren't all correlated. Look at Murray, he was considered light and there were concerns about his "durability" but he doesn't get hurt. Wilson is mobile, so he really doesn't take that many hits. This has all been disproved by the play of R. Wilson and other smaller QBs. He's also 6'3 so he's not that small.

Lamar Jackson is the skinny guy comp you are lookin for

Next aaron Rodgers , we better trade up for him

Only 5 more months of this "Wilson is too skinny" "Wilson had a torn labrum" "Wilson is too skinny and had a torn labrum"