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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

you don't win national championships if you're a bad decision maker" Thank you Captain Obvious.

That pocket was really getting decimated on that throw to a top 12 pick.
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by 1swift:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by 1swift:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Let's get real.

McVay said Goof can't do progressions, and he wanted Matt Stanford. The Rams went out and made it happen.

Kyle (presumably plus) wants Mac Jones. We just gave Kyle a contract extension. Lynch has final say. What do we do?

If you say no, and draft Lance or anybody else, after every loss, it's "well, he can't do what I asked. It's not My fault. I Told You So. It's Your fault."

The Shanahans were forced out of Washington because they didn't want to play RGIII (whom they made Rookie of the Year, with an offense they Knew couldn't take them far), and Did want to play a 4th round Cousins.

Kyle begged for permission to get out of his contract early to leave Cleveland, when they drafted Johnny Football Manziel. He got it.

Kyle Shanahan is GONE if you force a player on him that can't run his offense.

I know, there are M A N Y fools on this board with the hubris to value Their Pick at quarterback over retaining the smartest coach in the league. Do that, and we ain't Never seeing a Lombardi again in decades. Kyle made RGIII Rookie of the year, and Matt Ryan the NFL Offensive Player of the Year and the Most Valuable Player, and he took this horrible crappy team to the Super Bowl in his third year, and I'll lay odds he'll make Mac Jones Rookie of the Year this year. But NO. You guys know best.

"Beam me up, Scotty. There is no intelligent life down here."

I can't wait to start picking apart this league with Intelligence. That's how we got the first 5 Lombardi's, and it's how we'll get the next 5. Or not.

This is a lot of Kool-aid sipping.

I respect KS, I think you may be right that he's the smartest HC. But you know what, he's not above reproach. He fell short in 2 superbowls now. He's had 3/4 losing seasons as HC. It is not inarguable that it is he who needs to adapt, not the players.

Also if you want to get real, the words out of his mouth is that there are 5, count that FIVE, QBs he has evaluated as NFL Starting QB caliber. So, unless you're saying he's lying, making him draft Fields or Lance who are presumably within those 5 is not forcing him to take a QB he doesn't think can run this offense.

He could have easily said there's 3 guys who he thinks can get it done and therefore at 3 only 1 is left so if you make him take anyone else its not on him, but he said 5. There's presumably gonna be 3/5 of those left when SF is called to the podium so that kind of invalidates the argument we'd be forcing him out if someone could make him not take Mac but take one of the other 5 who he also believes is a starting QB.

NFL starting quarterbacks, let alone guys that can best run a Shanahan offense, is not the same thing. And, a starting quarterback does not equal a SB contending quarterback. Therefore, taking any of the five "is not forcing him to take a QB he doesn't think can run his offense" is flawed deductive reasoning, and ignores my position that he will quit.

I think that's obtuse. I'd accept an argument he's saying 5 to be PC and not offend the non drafted top guys but if you really think he's saying 5, and actually means 5, but only believes 1 or 2 to be able to run his offense or win a SB that doesn't make sense. Why would he consider any QB prospect draftable if he didn't think he could win with them? He has no incentive.

Who's being obtuse? Draftable by Who? Someone Who wants to run a dual threat offense, or Him. He's proven Twice he's not going to do that. He's a Head Coach now. You can't make him. If you don't want him, someone else will.

Obtuse is right. I'm out.

C-ya

But you never answered my point. Why did he say 5 if its not really 5??? Your point only makes sense in 2 scenarios. 1) HE is forced to take someone not of those 5 or 2) he doesn't actually mean 5, but less, like 1, 2, or 3 specifically and then being forced to take someone outside of that.
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Originally posted by 1swift:
Why did KS go out of his way to say he feels there's 5 guys? If he believes there's 5 there shouldn't be a problem as long as its one of those 5, right? He didn't have to say that. He could've easily said 3

He doesn't want to tip his hand and maybe he's a little worried Saleh just goes F'it and drafts Mac Jones at #2.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 1swift:
Why did KS go out of his way to say he feels there's 5 guys? If he believes there's 5 there shouldn't be a problem as long as its one of those 5, right? He didn't have to say that. He could've easily said 3

He doesn't want to tip his hand and maybe he's a little worried Saleh just goes F'it and drafts Mac Jones at #2.

Fair enough, I know it's a lot of gamesmanship...Maybe thats the case...but if we assume he's being honest, he cant righteously walk away and point the blame if the selection is from his Okayed list of 5, right? Thats'a all I'm saying.
Did Jed okay the trade up to #3?
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Lombardi did say that. It's not what the team said at the time. I think he's wrong. And I don't think Maiocco ever said that at all.

Not the point. In any case, my point I was making is that if you force a quarterback on Kyle he doesn't want, and deny one he does, he will not stay. Do you disagree?

Well, Lynch already has kind of forced a QB on Shanahan in Jimmy, so I don't expect Kyle to concede in that war room. He's going to get his guy.

But in the event that Kyle capitulates to Lynch and the guy they draft doesn't become what Kyle wants, I expect Lynch to be fired before Shanahan can even attempt to leave. Jed York ain't letting Shanahan go if he can help it. He knows without Shanny, he's back to digging through dumpsters for the next Singletary or Tomsula, perenially losing and an empty Levi's stadium--aka the York family way.

That's reasonable. But Lynch being a Stanford man, it's not going to come to that. Kyle will get Mac.
Originally posted by rathman4481:
Did Jed okay the trade up to #3?

I'm pretty sure I read he was in on that process.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 1swift:
Why did KS go out of his way to say he feels there's 5 guys? If he believes there's 5 there shouldn't be a problem as long as its one of those 5, right? He didn't have to say that. He could've easily said 3

He doesn't want to tip his hand and maybe he's a little worried Saleh just goes F'it and drafts Mac Jones at #2.

Seriously? Lol.

Maybe Jones goes one because everyone finally realizes he is the perfect combo of Brady, Brees, and Peyton and Fields then goes two and we get Lawrence, that is just as likely.
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Originally posted by rathman4481:
Did Jed okay the trade up to #3?

I believe they said they consulted ownership a month ago when they had the press conference about the trade.
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Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 1swift:
Why did KS go out of his way to say he feels there's 5 guys? If he believes there's 5 there shouldn't be a problem as long as its one of those 5, right? He didn't have to say that. He could've easily said 3

He doesn't want to tip his hand and maybe he's a little worried Saleh just goes F'it and drafts Mac Jones at #2.

Seriously? Lol.

Maybe Jones goes one because everyone finally realizes he is the perfect combo of Brady, Brees, and Peyton and Fields then goes two and we get Lawrence, that is just as likely.

I think Kyle's got blinders on at this point and might even take Jones over T.Lawrence....
Originally posted by rathman4481:
Did Jed okay the trade up to #3?

Yes.
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Originally posted by 1swift:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Let's get real.

McVay said Goof can't do progressions, and he wanted Matt Stanford. The Rams went out and made it happen.

Kyle (presumably plus) wants Mac Jones. We just gave Kyle a contract extension. Lynch has final say. What do we do?

If you say no, and draft Lance or anybody else, after every loss, it's "well, he can't do what I asked. It's not My fault. I Told You So. It's Your fault."

The Shanahans were forced out of Washington because they didn't want to play RGIII (whom they made Rookie of the Year, with an offense they Knew couldn't take them far), and Did want to play a 4th round Cousins.

Kyle begged for permission to get out of his contract early to leave Cleveland, when they drafted Johnny Football Manziel. He got it.

Kyle Shanahan is GONE if you force a player on him that can't run his offense.

I know, there are M A N Y fools on this board with the hubris to value Their Pick at quarterback over retaining the smartest coach in the league. Do that, and we ain't Never seeing a Lombardi again in decades. Kyle made RGIII Rookie of the year, and Matt Ryan the NFL Offensive Player of the Year and the Most Valuable Player, and he took this horrible crappy team to the Super Bowl in his third year, and I'll lay odds he'll make Mac Jones Rookie of the Year this year. But NO. You guys know best.

"Beam me up, Scotty. There is no intelligent life down here."

I can't wait to start picking apart this league with Intelligence. That's how we got the first 5 Lombardi's, and it's how we'll get the next 5. Or not.
I never thought of that point above. Very good point! I think if Lynch picks the QB, other than it being a really bad idea, it would probably break their friendship and relationship and that won't ever heal again.

Why did KS go out of his way to say he feels there's 5 guys? If he believes there's 5 there shouldn't be a problem as long as its one of those 5, right? He didn't have to say that. He could've easily said 3

At #3, there's (obviously) three QB's that can be taken in any number of ways, and on top of that, at #3 (if Lawrence and Zach are taken) there are going to be three that everybody thinks can run Kyle's system (Mac, Fields, Lance) Mond/Mills etc... are lower tier athletes that aren't in the class of Mac/Fields/Lance (according to a lot of opinions) so 2+3 = 5.

Having said that, the more confusing he makes it, the better for him - or so he says - because it doesn't tell anything to the rest of the NFL, and even to the first guys who are picking (Jags and Jets). I'm sure that both Jags and Jets are listening to what Kyle says - and so what the Jags and Jets are saying too. I'm betting Urban was either forced to look more closely at Fields and the other QB's or was impelled to do so because of what Kyle said or did. Same with the Jets. There is a very very very slim chance that Zach comes to the 49ers because the Jets take Fields. (Very slim chance) But why not try to help that a little bit by saying stuff that might entice the two above him to possibly to do so.
Originally posted by jcs:
He doesn't want to tip his hand and maybe he's a little worried Saleh just goes F'it and drafts Mac Jones at #2.

They should trade up to 2 just to make sure Saleh doesn't get Jones, maybe that 2024 first rounder could get that done. Shark jumped.
I have a hard time seeing jed being okay with Mac being the pick. I know Kyle has him by the balls but these other guys will put butts in the seats
Originally posted by Rathof44:
you don't win national championships if you're a bad decision maker" Thank you Captain Obvious.

That pocket was really getting decimated on that throw to a top 12 pick.

Cam Newton won a National championship lol.

I mean I think I saw Kyle trask make that throw a s**t load of times this yr? Why don't we just draft him at 3?
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