Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by hello49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Very believable.

"As much as the #49ers love Mac Jones, and they do, I believe that the gap between Mac Jones and the other QBs like Trey Lance has been narrowed considerably...I can tell you over the weekend they did not know who they were going to take." - @AdamSchefter

— Sterling Bennett (@49ers_Access) April 28, 2021

How is this believable. Another tweet with no idea where this info is coming from. Could be another planned leak.

If the rumors are true and that they haven't picked their guy yet, and that not getting a veteran qb altered their plans, this franchise needs serious help.

yeah where is this stuff coming from? Niners don't leak stuff..

Meanwhile the media

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Chance:
Great post, but I think you're missing a key 4d chess move. With Rosen in the roster, we have removed the closest Mac analog for other teams to have as a scout QB during weeks they play against us.

Wrong. AJ McCarron is a free agent.

That about sums it up. SF fans if we pick Mac.

Can we draft him?? That arm looks way better than Mac's!!!!!!!

I don't but into the narrative that Jones fits Kyle's system the best. Lance actually ran a system that was more like what Kyle runs. I think Jones' accuracy last year has affected some peoples' evaluation. He was accurate but he rarely faced any pressure and had receivers wide open most of the time. How will he look if protection breaks down and he has to roll out and throw into a tight window on the run.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Jimmy is dead to Kyle. That's my take. He's tired of worrying what bone head thing he will do if he calls a given play, and he runs his play calling through that filter, and he doesn't like it. He covets a quarterback he can trust.

Right now, that quarterback is Mac Jones. Could Lance get there? Kyle would not say he couldn't. But there are two things. Number one, he can't count on that this year, and that means another year with Jimmy. He doesn't want that. And number two, I think he has near 100 percent confidence in Mac's ability to be very good very early in this season, and how far Lance will get is unknown, and therefore a less certain gamble. Will he Ever get to where Mac is already? It is human nature to take the near certain thing, because he's seen it, over the gamble.

As you like to say, is what it is.

Why would Mac be any different than the QBs it always takes at least a year to pick up Kyle's offense? Jimmy is not some scrub on the street. He's two years removed from leading this team to the Super Bowl. I'm not saying we can't improve the position, or shouldn't, but I have a very hard time any of these QBs comes in and outcompetes a healthy Jimmy year one. Not only will they have to learn this complex offense, but also the nuances of playing QB in the NFL. It just seems so unlikely and irresponsible to hand the reigns of a Super Bowl roster over to an unproven rookie who just picked up the most complex NFL playbook.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
You guys in here are completely off your rocker and have no clue about the nuances of the qb position.
That being said, Justin Fields will be the pick
Relax

You seem like you have an unbiased opinion. Tell me more.

I've said all along that I want Fields. Will even be upset if we pick Jones.
but the b***hing in this thread is ridiculous

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:


"There's nothing not to like. Do you like Drew Brees? Do you like Matt Ryan, those kinds of quarterbacks? That's what Mac Jones is, and he's better than them coming out."

I mean, it's Chris Simms, so take it for what you will, but the man is nothing if not confident in his opinion.

He's also really good at evaluating QBs

Stat wise, yes, Mac Jones is better than Brees and Ryan coming outta college. Simms has a point there.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
You guys in here are completely off your rocker and have no clue about the nuances of the qb position.
That being said, Justin Fields will be the pick
Relax

You seem like you have an unbiased opinion. Tell me more.

I've said all along that I want Fields. Will even be upset if we pick Jones.
but the b***hing in this thread is ridiculous

Well, my apologies. Looks like I judged a book by the cover.

Well, I'm in the same boat as you. Would be fine if Mac had been the pick at 12. Would be stoked for a prospect with a higher ceiling at 3. The raised stakes makes everyone a little crazy.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:


"There's nothing not to like. Do you like Drew Brees? Do you like Matt Ryan, those kinds of quarterbacks? That's what Mac Jones is, and he's better than them coming out."

I mean, it's Chris Simms, so take it for what you will, but the man is nothing if not confident in his opinion.

He's also really good at evaluating QBs

Stat wise, yes, Mac Jones is better than Brees and Ryan coming outta college. Simms has a point there.

How dare anyone talk highly of Mac.

You can only do that to Lawrence, Wilson, Fields or Lance.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:


"There's nothing not to like. Do you like Drew Brees? Do you like Matt Ryan, those kinds of quarterbacks? That's what Mac Jones is, and he's better than them coming out."

I mean, it's Chris Simms, so take it for what you will, but the man is nothing if not confident in his opinion.

He's also really good at evaluating QBs

Stat wise, yes, Mac Jones is better than Brees and Ryan coming outta college. Simms has a point there.

cant take Simms seriously when he mocks Fields at 32. he's either in on the Santa Clara smokescreen or he's a moron.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So this will be my last post in here until if/when he's picked by SF (yes I know you're welcome )

I don't think I've ever read/listen/watched more on one dude during a draft process....and my overall evaluation hasn't changed.

I think he's a good processer pre/post snap. I think he's accurate...under structure. I think he throws a very catchable ball...under structure. Good mechanics...under structure. Pretty deep ball when he can set his feet. He's got good feet in the pocket, but overall his pocket was pretty damn clean. He's a good QB. He's got an above avg release, I wouldn't say its at Jimmy's level either. The way Jimmy throws the ball and how he torques up (doesn't need to set his feet properly) helps him get the ball out fast...it also leads to issues downfield because of his footwork.

It seems like his teammate love him, so that's a plus. That's kinda the main difference between him and Rosen. (a lot of other similarities though).

This is just my opinion but the way Bama players are coached up overall, a lot of them come in ready to play BUT are also for the most part maxed out. Is what it is.

NOW, IMO his ceiling is damn near there. Maybe he's the best QB yr 1 but yr 3/4 I don't think so. He has issues extending plays, he has issues making off platform throws. Lack of athletic ability will only show more in the NFL. His arm talent while not the worst in the league is bottom half (Dalton level)....it shows when he can't step into his throw or reset his feet...just the truth of it and it looks ugly.... Once he got past his 1st read his pass grade dropped a lot. The talent level, amazing OL, wide open WRs, and elite coaching all played a part and yes he just did what he was asked to do (very well). The off field stuff and how he handles himself is a red flag for me as well.

I see no elite god given traits at all and everything he is good at is a learned trait. Kyle will have to change his ways on how he builds his OL and if he doesn't change his ways on QB evaluation...I don't expect the OL to change either. Kid needs that to be successful. Kyle brought up Brees, well he's always had a top 5 OL which NO spent massively amount of cash/draft capital to spend on.

That said I think whoever they draft will have success, I do think there are massively different degrees of success and the margin of error is different for all of them....if we listened to Kyle the past six months it really seemed like he wanted that elite trait guy that he could develop and grow with. The fact that they were in on Watson kinda backed up that take....but if they go Jones it kinds tells me he hasn't changed or evolved as a coach and a lot of what he's said was hot air. 15 yrs ago Mac might be more sot after, the league has changed a TON though. Rules are different coaches call the game differently....young kids learning to play QB are also elite level athletes...that's where the league is going whether some of you want to believe it or not. When you have a player that's a Multi-Threat you have an advantage. when you step on the field and someone has a QB like that and you don't, you're automatically a man down. We see who Kyle has problems with and what type of QB we constantly kick the s**t out of...Kyle HAS to see this.

We will see AND no matter what I'm gonna root for whomever, I'm a fan and have the right to have an opinion on a player and see if he can prove me (and a lot of fans) wrong...I'm not gonna just follow the company line or trust the process anymore. My cash will be spent elsewhere until Jones because Brady or whatever some people actually believe he is.

Great post man. Crystallizing what quite a few of us believe. Can't think of a more uninspiring, vanilla pick at QB.

Good substantive post without all of the bomb throwing.

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:


"There's nothing not to like. Do you like Drew Brees? Do you like Matt Ryan, those kinds of quarterbacks? That's what Mac Jones is, and he's better than them coming out."

I mean, it's Chris Simms, so take it for what you will, but the man is nothing if not confident in his opinion.

He's also really good at evaluating QBs

Stat wise, yes, Mac Jones is better than Brees and Ryan coming outta college. Simms has a point there.

How dare anyone talk highly of Mac.

You can only do that to Lawrence, Wilson, Fields or Lance.

I'll even allow Kellen Mond if you wish to speak highly of him.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:


"There's nothing not to like. Do you like Drew Brees? Do you like Matt Ryan, those kinds of quarterbacks? That's what Mac Jones is, and he's better than them coming out."

I mean, it's Chris Simms, so take it for what you will, but the man is nothing if not confident in his opinion.

He's also really good at evaluating QBs

Stat wise, yes, Mac Jones is better than Brees and Ryan coming outta college. Simms has a point there.

How dare anyone talk highly of Mac.

You can only do that to Lawrence, Wilson, Fields or Lance.

I'll even allow Kellen Mond if you wish to speak highly of him.

Seriously don't know what you guys see in Kellen Mond, dude is horrible. We even have a die hard Texas A&M Aggie fan in a thread somewhere in here saying he's not the answer. I'd take Davis Mills over him all day!!!

Originally posted by boast:
cant take Simms seriously when he mocks Fields at 32. he's either in on the Santa Clara smokescreen or he's a moron.

He had Watson at 31 the year he came out.

Originally posted by boast:
cant take Simms seriously when he mocks Fields at 32. he's either in on the Santa Clara smokescreen or he's a moron.

Or he's trying to alter public perception of the QBs and give Jones homers cover for the universally panned pick of Mac. Kind of using his platform for softening the outrage for his boy Kyle.

Either way, he cannot be trusted as a QB evaluator at this point. Might as well put him in the payroll at 4949 to head the media dept.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:


"There's nothing not to like. Do you like Drew Brees? Do you like Matt Ryan, those kinds of quarterbacks? That's what Mac Jones is, and he's better than them coming out."

I mean, it's Chris Simms, so take it for what you will, but the man is nothing if not confident in his opinion.

He's also really good at evaluating QBs

Stat wise, yes, Mac Jones is better than Brees and Ryan coming outta college. Simms has a point there.

cant take Simms seriously when he mocks Fields at 32. he's either in on the Santa Clara smokescreen or he's a moron.

Mocks are one thing, evaluating is another. After all Harbaugh had Tony Romo as a 2nd round pick and he went undrafted.