Mac Jones-QB-49ers

Originally posted by Joecool:
If we select Jones and it doesn't work out, I bet Lynch quits before Kyle is fired.

If I were Lynch and he does pick Mac and it looks early on like a weekly Sac tacular I would too.

Originally posted by socal1632:
All he has is anticipation to make it work. His arm can't pull anything off itself

Every NFL defense is crowded and most throws must be tight. I just cannot imagine Jones consistently threading it. Kyle will have to work hard to get targets not just open, but wide open.

Originally posted by hohbie:


I was really down on the Mac Jones hype to us but have been trying to come to terms with it because I think it is the choice. This video and others out there like it, help ease the pain a bit.

How many games did we lose or come close to losing because of Jimmy and his one terrible turnover per game. I love Garoppolo but if you take away the dumb turnovers and sacks our team gets much better.

Also, I think Kyle could make any QB look good but if you are talking which QB would be the best in his system I think it is Drew Brees. If you gave Kyle the accuracy and decision making of Brees, I think that would beat any combination of other quarterbacks other than Mahomes or Rodgers. I would take that over Jackson, Wilson, Murray, etc.

I think that is what he sees with Mac. If he's right it's a home run with Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo, Juice, etc. Good luck taking those away if the QB is making the right reads and not making negative plays (sacks, picks).

When he doesnt have a 10 yard cushion to the nearest defender and his mechanics fall apart there are going to be plenty of picks. Don't worry.

Originally posted by hohbie:


I was really down on the Mac Jones hype to us but have been trying to come to terms with it because I think it is the choice. This video and others out there like it, help ease the pain a bit.

How many games did we lose or come close to losing because of Jimmy and his one terrible turnover per game. I love Garoppolo but if you take away the dumb turnovers and sacks our team gets much better.

Also, I think Kyle could make any QB look good but if you are talking which QB would be the best in his system I think it is Drew Brees. If you gave Kyle the accuracy and decision making of Brees, I think that would beat any combination of other quarterbacks other than Mahomes or Rodgers. I would take that over Jackson, Wilson, Murray, etc.

I think that is what he sees with Mac. If he's right it's a home run with Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo, Juice, etc. Good luck taking those away if the QB is making the right reads and not making negative plays (sacks, picks).

All they'll have to do is bring extra pressure. Will be dumpoffs galore

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Costanza:
The one comment that Shanahan made in the presser that was kinda revealing was when he said:

"If you were excited about getting one of these guys at 12, you should be excited about getting one at three. It's about whether you get one."

To me that was a subtle way of addressing people questioning why trade up to 3 if you're going to take a guy that might be available at 12....kinda screamed like a defense of taking Mac Jones at 3 to me.

I could be wrong. We'll find out tomorrow.

Agree. I read it the same way.

Me too, but the logic is crap. There is a massive difference in the amount of capital used for the 3 compared with the 12, so there is more margin to withstand a bust if you hang at 12 and get him there. They must love him and/or were convinced that they would be leapfrogged and lose him. That is debatable, but I think Kyle's big picture comment is true -- if you get a 10 year starter you can win with, the overpayment will be insignificant. If it busts, Kyle will likely lose his job and will have to fight the perception that he's not a dinosaur. Should be an interesting drama. I see the Mac criticisms as overstated and think he's going to do well.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by hohbie:


I was really down on the Mac Jones hype to us but have been trying to come to terms with it because I think it is the choice. This video and others out there like it, help ease the pain a bit.

How many games did we lose or come close to losing because of Jimmy and his one terrible turnover per game. I love Garoppolo but if you take away the dumb turnovers and sacks our team gets much better.

Also, I think Kyle could make any QB look good but if you are talking which QB would be the best in his system I think it is Drew Brees. If you gave Kyle the accuracy and decision making of Brees, I think that would beat any combination of other quarterbacks other than Mahomes or Rodgers. I would take that over Jackson, Wilson, Murray, etc.

I think that is what he sees with Mac. If he's right it's a home run with Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo, Juice, etc. Good luck taking those away if the QB is making the right reads and not making negative plays (sacks, picks).

When he doesnt have a 10 yard cushion to the nearest defender and his mechanics fall apart there are going to be plenty of picks. Don't worry.

Nothing to worry about, it's fact. He sees the field very well but has to throw even 15 yard button hooks way early before the wr turns around to get them in there.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Costanza:
The one comment that Shanahan made in the presser that was kinda revealing was when he said:

"If you were excited about getting one of these guys at 12, you should be excited about getting one at three. It's about whether you get one."

To me that was a subtle way of addressing people questioning why trade up to 3 if you're going to take a guy that might be available at 12....kinda screamed like a defense of taking Mac Jones at 3 to me.

I could be wrong. We'll find out tomorrow.

Agree. I read it the same way.

Me too, but the logic is crap. There is a massive difference in the amount of capital used for the 3 compared with the 12, so there is more margin to withstand a bust if you hang at 12 and get him there. They must love him and/or were convinced that they would be leapfrogged and lose him. That is debatable, but I think Kyle's big picture comment is true -- if you get a 10 year starter you can win with, the overpayment will be insignificant. If it busts, Kyle will likely lose his job and will have to fight the perception that he's not a dinosaur. Should be an interesting drama. I see the Mac criticisms as overstated and think he's going to do well.

If he had Payton he'd be awesome. Kyle just gets tied up in his own play calling sheet and looses superbowls

Originally posted by Costanza:
The one comment that Shanahan made in the presser that was kinda revealing was when he said:

"If you were excited about getting one of these guys at 12, you should be excited about getting one at three. It's about whether you get one."

To me that was a subtle way of addressing people questioning why trade up to 3 if you're going to take a guy that might be available at 12....kinda screamed like a defense of taking Mac Jones at 3 to me.

I could be wrong. We'll find out tomorrow.

Lol, I didn't find that particularly subtle. He's definitely referencing Mac. What was weird is that he then was like "I'm not going to tell you who we're picking," after the whole press conference seemed to be about defending the Jones pick. It was just a weird p.c. period, the way they seemed to give conflicting messages and the underlying tension. I stopped believing anything Kyle says at press conferences quite a while back, so I really don't know how much to read into a single second of it.

I'm back again on the we will pick Jones mind frame. Doesn't make the most sense but Kyle can't risk drafting a player that can't maximize his offense.

Being offscript to Kyle is like killing his mother.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Mac rhymes with Yac, that is what the Niners do

Also rhymes with yack.

YAC MAC

Originally posted by NCommand:
So Eric Davis is pretty well connected. He said Kyle's #1 advisor is not John Lynch but Mike Shanahan and they both love Mac Jones. He had a couple very close "sources" he claims to trust greatly, tell him that.

Why would Lynch be Kyle's #1 advisor about qb's in the first place? Lynch specifically said he defers to Kyle on qb's.

Kyle doesn't want to educate a QB. He wants to have a back and forth about the play design and how it is affected by the different looks a defense shows.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Costanza:
The one comment that Shanahan made in the presser that was kinda revealing was when he said:

"If you were excited about getting one of these guys at 12, you should be excited about getting one at three. It's about whether you get one."

To me that was a subtle way of addressing people questioning why trade up to 3 if you're going to take a guy that might be available at 12....kinda screamed like a defense of taking Mac Jones at 3 to me.

I could be wrong. We'll find out tomorrow.

Agree. I read it the same way.

Me too, but the logic is crap. There is a massive difference in the amount of capital used for the 3 compared with the 12, so there is more margin to withstand a bust if you hang at 12 and get him there. They must love him and/or were convinced that they would be leapfrogged and lose him. That is debatable, but I think Kyle's big picture comment is true -- if you get a 10 year starter you can win with, the overpayment will be insignificant. If it busts, Kyle will likely lose his job and will have to fight the perception that he's not a dinosaur. Should be an interesting drama. I see the Mac criticisms as overstated and think he's going to do well.

Yea, the logic is definitely poor. Imagine using that argument in any other environment and expecting it to fly. Value matters.

Originally posted by socal1632:
Nothing to worry about, it's fact. He sees the field very well but has to throw even 15 yard button hooks way early before the wr turns around to get them in there.

I understand what you guys are saying but look at Jimmy's highlights during the Super Bowl season. He has a ton of wide open guys to hit. Mac can make those throws. If he can make those without the stupid mistakes we can get back to the top.

I also think Kyle would be more aggressive on offense if he trusted his QB to not make a mistake. Again I love Jimmy but he was good for at least a terrible turnover a game.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 4ML:
That's how Mike Shanahan got fired - by making bad decisions after bad decisions - and that's how he will get his son fired.

What bad decisions got Mike Shanahan fired?

Mike was running everything when he was in Denver and got fired in 2008 after series of bad picks and FA pickups and losing 3 games in a row to end the season and lost a playoff berth again.

"He focused on defense in 2007, using two of his four picks for defensive linemen Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder, neither of whom has been much of a factor. Also of late, he wasted a third-round pick on Maurice Clarett (2005), spent millions on Travis Henry (2007), never got anything from Boss Bailey, Niko Koutouvides and Dewayne Robertson (2008)."