Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

I like Mac a lot. I'd pound the table for him at #12 or in a trade up to 6-9 if Fields was gone.

I just have a hard time passing on Fields for this dude.

Originally posted by Joecool:
If we select Jones and it doesn't work out, I bet Lynch quits before Kyle is fired.

Why though? It will just prove that Lynch was right. Just like how he was right on Mahomes.

Sounds like a GM Id like to have. Jed would have to be a dumbass to fire him. If Jones fails, 100% of the blame should be on Kyle. The scouting department doesn't want him

Originally posted by Joecool:
Kyle doesn't want to educate a QB. He wants to have a back and forth about the play design and how it is affected by the different looks a defense shows.

I agree. Kyle doesn't want to groom or develop a QB. He wants a guy that can come in right away and be Kirk Cousins. It's the main reason he deferred taking a QB high before in favor of waiting for Cousins. He'd probably prefer to never draft a QB high and instead rely on vets, but they ran out of decent veteran options this year and needed to make a change.

As a result, he's looking purely for the most pro-ready QB that needs the least development. He doesn't care if that player isn't the best or even in the top 3 or 4. He just wants a guy that can step in on day one even if he's just mediocre. He'd pass on having a Mahomes two years from now in favor of having a Matt Schaub today.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Costanza:
The one comment that Shanahan made in the presser that was kinda revealing was when he said:

"If you were excited about getting one of these guys at 12, you should be excited about getting one at three. It's about whether you get one."

To me that was a subtle way of addressing people questioning why trade up to 3 if you're going to take a guy that might be available at 12....kinda screamed like a defense of taking Mac Jones at 3 to me.

I could be wrong. We'll find out tomorrow.

Agree. I read it the same way.

Me too, but the logic is crap. There is a massive difference in the amount of capital used for the 3 compared with the 12, so there is more margin to withstand a bust if you hang at 12 and get him there. They must love him and/or were convinced that they would be leapfrogged and lose him. That is debatable, but I think Kyle's big picture comment is true -- if you get a 10 year starter you can win with, the overpayment will be insignificant. If it busts, Kyle will likely lose his job and will have to fight the perception that he's not a dinosaur. Should be an interesting drama. I see the Mac criticisms as overstated and think he's going to do well.

NY85 looks at just the player and I look at the system and scheme and how the players fit in the scheme.

Again, the example I use is Nick Mullens. If Kyle can get Nick to be the 2nd overall passing yardage in the history of the NFL (over a 16 game period as a rookie) -- the first being Mahomes. Imagine what he can do with Mac, who's X10 in everything regarding Nick. Mac will be fine.

As for draft value, if the NFL league is composed of 40% undrafted players (somebody correct me if I got the wrong numbers) then any draft pick be it a 1st round pick or a 7th round pick is overvalued at 40%.

Originally posted by Joecool:
If we select Jones and it doesn't work out, I bet Lynch quits before Kyle is fired.

If we select Jones and it doesn't work out, I will never trust another Alabama player again, regardless of who our coach or gm is at the time.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Kyle doesn't want to educate a QB. He wants to have a back and forth about the play design and how it is affected by the different looks a defense shows.

I agree. Kyle doesn't want to groom or develop a QB. He wants a guy that can come in right away and be Kirk Cousins. It's the main reason he deferred taking a QB high before in favor of waiting for Cousins. He'd probably prefer to never draft a QB high and instead rely on vets, but they ran out of decent veteran options this year and needed to make a change.

As a result, he's looking purely for the most pro-ready QB that needs the least development. He doesn't care if that player isn't the best or even in the top 3 or 4. He just wants a guy that can step in on day one even if he's just mediocre. He'd pass on having a Mahomes two years from now in favor of having a Matt Schaub today.

He preferred Hoyer over Kaepernick.

We drafting Jones.

Originally posted by SD49er:
This narrative is so played out. Whether receivers were open does not change Jones' pre-snap reads, pocket presence, ability to climb or adjust in the pocket, quickly process and move through reads, and delivery of incredibly accurate balls. Lawrence and Fields have both had tons of talent around them (see Joe Burrows). The tape does not show these receivers bailing Jones out, it shows Jones delivering amazing balls. The reciprocal argument is Jones made the receivers look all world because of his elite level of play. Why doesn't it work both ways? Tua didn't make the wrs look this good. Smith's number went way up with Jones from the year before, as did everyone's numbers.

Smith's numbers went up because Jeudy and Ruggs were drafted and Waddle missed half the season.

Not because I DON'T want Mac Jones. It just cracked me up.

1100 guys!! Just a 100 more and we get N.Harris

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I like Mac a lot. I'd pound the table for him at #12 or in a trade up to 6-9 if Fields was gone.

I just have a hard time passing on Fields for this dude.

Didn't you say you were good with any choice of the three QB's.

Originally posted by socal1632:
Nothing to worry about, it's fact. He sees the field very well but has to throw even 15 yard button hooks way early before the wr turns around to get them in there.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Yea, the logic is definitely poor. Imagine using that argument in any other environment and expecting it to fly. Value matters.

Value matters and Mac is going to be coached up by Kyle, who's done wonders with lots of QB's. They blew two first round picks in 2017 and did fine in year 3. As for the environment, Mac is going into an offense - not too far off from Alabama's offense. You have Raheem who's set playoff ground game records, and Deebo and Aiyuk who are proven pass catchers and RAC monsters in the NFL, then you have Trent and Alex Mac as well as some good OLine depth and possible that ShanaLynch will invest more in the offensive line in the 2021 draft. On top of that you have Kyle who's offense is as complex and evolving. If you look at the run blocking schemes and the bubble screens alone, you can see how he needs somebody that can memorize and absorb his playbook. Each play probably has 31 variations for each of the 31 other NFL teams and on top of that, he probably has 300+ plays in his playbook. In Kyles system, Kyle beats you with his mind, not necessarily with his athletes. He needs a QB that can augment and turbo boost his already prodigious NFL IQ.

Originally posted by Giedi:
NY85 looks at just the player and I look at the system and scheme and how the players fit in the scheme.

Again, the example I use is Nick Mullens. If Kyle can get Nick to be the 2nd overall passing yardage in the history of the NFL (over a 16 game period as a rookie) -- the first being Mahomes. Imagine what he can do with Mac, who's X10 in everything regarding Nick. Mac will be fine.

As for draft value, if the NFL league is composed of 40% undrafted players (somebody correct me if I got the wrong numbers) then any draft pick be it a 1st round pick or a 7th round pick is overvalued at 40%.

The problem is Mac Jones is Nick Mullens!

Nick played well at times until the league figured him out, just get him off his mark, and he sucks.

I fear the same with Mac, collapse the pocket, and he will be exposed!!!

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Not because I DON'T want Mac Jones. It just cracked me up.

My girlfriend said Mac Jones is built like a Lego figure and I cannot get it out of my head pic.twitter.com/AR04xW7f6A

— Zach (QBs Suck) Gartin (@All22_Addict) April 28, 2021

I like this one.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Not because I DON'T want Mac Jones. It just cracked me up.

My girlfriend said Mac Jones is built like a Lego figure and I cannot get it out of my head pic.twitter.com/AR04xW7f6A

— Zach (QBs Suck) Gartin (@All22_Addict) April 28, 2021

mac seems like a dork and thats who you want as a qb. he should probably lose the belly though.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Not because I DON'T want Mac Jones. It just cracked me up.

My girlfriend said Mac Jones is built like a Lego figure and I cannot get it out of my head pic.twitter.com/AR04xW7f6A

— Zach (QBs Suck) Gartin (@All22_Addict) April 28, 2021

pic.twitter.com/mQVhvQG3Zn

— LEGOBarstool (@LEGOBarstool) April 28, 2021

I like this one.

posting this for accuracy