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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Not because I DON'T want Mac Jones. It just cracked me up.
My girlfriend said Mac Jones is built like a Lego figure and I cannot get it out of my head pic.twitter.com/AR04xW7f6A
— Zach (QBs Suck) Gartin (@All22_Addict) April 28, 2021
mac seems like a dork and thats who you want as a qb. he should probably lose the belly though.
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Not because I DON'T want Mac Jones. It just cracked me up.
My girlfriend said Mac Jones is built like a Lego figure and I cannot get it out of my head pic.twitter.com/AR04xW7f6A
— Zach (QBs Suck) Gartin (@All22_Addict) April 28, 2021
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Not because I DON'T want Mac Jones. It just cracked me up.
My girlfriend said Mac Jones is built like a Lego figure and I cannot get it out of my head pic.twitter.com/AR04xW7f6A
— Zach (QBs Suck) Gartin (@All22_Addict) April 28, 2021
mac seems like a dork and thats who you want as a qb. he should probably lose the belly though.
My post was not clear. I don't want Jones.
Originally posted by socal1632:
Originally posted by SD49er:
This narrative is so played out. Whether receivers were open does not change Jones' pre-snap reads, pocket presence, ability to climb or adjust in the pocket, quickly process and move through reads, and delivery of incredibly accurate balls. Lawrence and Fields have both had tons of talent around them (see Joe Burrows). The tape does not show these receivers bailing Jones out, it shows Jones delivering amazing balls. The reciprocal argument is Jones made the receivers look all world because of his elite level of play. Why doesn't it work both ways? Tua didn't make the wrs look this good. Smith's number went way up with Jones from the year before, as did everyone's numbers.
Dude even in college with college db's he had to throw the ball 3 seconds before the receivers turned around to get it in there with that weak assed arm.
Originally posted by CoachPhoenix:
Originally posted by Giedi:
NY85 looks at just the player and I look at the system and scheme and how the players fit in the scheme.
Again, the example I use is Nick Mullens. If Kyle can get Nick to be the 2nd overall passing yardage in the history of the NFL (over a 16 game period as a rookie) -- the first being Mahomes. Imagine what he can do with Mac, who's X10 in everything regarding Nick. Mac will be fine.
As for draft value, if the NFL league is composed of 40% undrafted players (somebody correct me if I got the wrong numbers) then any draft pick be it a 1st round pick or a 7th round pick is overvalued at 40%.
The problem is Mac Jones is Nick Mullens!
Nick played well at times until the league figured him out, just get him off his mark, and he sucks.
I fear the same with Mac, collapse the pocket, and he will be exposed!!!
Originally posted by 4ML:After 14yrs 2 Super Bowl Victories and becoming the winningest coach in franchise history seems like a pretty successful run to me.
Mike was running everything when he was in Denver and got fired in 2008 after series of bad picks and FA pickups and losing 3 games in a row to end the season and lost a playoff berth again.
"He focused on defense in 2007, using two of his four picks for defensive linemen Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder, neither of whom has been much of a factor. Also of late, he wasted a third-round pick on Maurice Clarett (2005), spent millions on Travis Henry (2007), never got anything from Boss Bailey, Niko Koutouvides and Dewayne Robertson (2008)."
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
posting this for accuracy
Originally posted by SD49er:
Originally posted by socal1632:
Originally posted by SD49er:
This narrative is so played out. Whether receivers were open does not change Jones' pre-snap reads, pocket presence, ability to climb or adjust in the pocket, quickly process and move through reads, and delivery of incredibly accurate balls. Lawrence and Fields have both had tons of talent around them (see Joe Burrows). The tape does not show these receivers bailing Jones out, it shows Jones delivering amazing balls. The reciprocal argument is Jones made the receivers look all world because of his elite level of play. Why doesn't it work both ways? Tua didn't make the wrs look this good. Smith's number went way up with Jones from the year before, as did everyone's numbers.
Dude even in college with college db's he had to throw the ball 3 seconds before the receivers turned around to get it in there with that weak assed arm.
Really? So his ability to throw before the receiver breaks is now a negative? Jones' arm is plenty strong, and this narrative is also played out. It's just not true.
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Originally posted by 4ML:After 14yrs 2 Super Bowl Victories and becoming the winningest coach in franchise history seems like a pretty successful run to me.
Mike was running everything when he was in Denver and got fired in 2008 after series of bad picks and FA pickups and losing 3 games in a row to end the season and lost a playoff berth again.
"He focused on defense in 2007, using two of his four picks for defensive linemen Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder, neither of whom has been much of a factor. Also of late, he wasted a third-round pick on Maurice Clarett (2005), spent millions on Travis Henry (2007), never got anything from Boss Bailey, Niko Koutouvides and Dewayne Robertson (2008)."
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Not because I DON'T want Mac Jones. It just cracked me up.
My girlfriend said Mac Jones is built like a Lego figure and I cannot get it out of my head pic.twitter.com/AR04xW7f6A
— Zach (QBs Suck) Gartin (@All22_Addict) April 28, 2021
mac seems like a dork and thats who you want as a qb. he should probably lose the belly though.
My post was not clear. I don't want Jones.
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by SD49er:
This narrative is so played out. Whether receivers were open does not change Jones' pre-snap reads, pocket presence, ability to climb or adjust in the pocket, quickly process and move through reads, and delivery of incredibly accurate balls. Lawrence and Fields have both had tons of talent around them (see Joe Burrows). The tape does not show these receivers bailing Jones out, it shows Jones delivering amazing balls. The reciprocal argument is Jones made the receivers look all world because of his elite level of play. Why doesn't it work both ways? Tua didn't make the wrs look this good. Smith's number went way up with Jones from the year before, as did everyone's numbers.
Smith's numbers went up because Jeudy and Ruggs were drafted and Waddle missed half the season.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by BSofSF:NY85 looks at just the player and I look at the system and scheme and how the players fit in the scheme.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Costanza:
The one comment that Shanahan made in the presser that was kinda revealing was when he said:
"If you were excited about getting one of these guys at 12, you should be excited about getting one at three. It's about whether you get one."
To me that was a subtle way of addressing people questioning why trade up to 3 if you're going to take a guy that might be available at 12....kinda screamed like a defense of taking Mac Jones at 3 to me.
I could be wrong. We'll find out tomorrow.
Agree. I read it the same way.
Me too, but the logic is crap. There is a massive difference in the amount of capital used for the 3 compared with the 12, so there is more margin to withstand a bust if you hang at 12 and get him there. They must love him and/or were convinced that they would be leapfrogged and lose him. That is debatable, but I think Kyle's big picture comment is true -- if you get a 10 year starter you can win with, the overpayment will be insignificant. If it busts, Kyle will likely lose his job and will have to fight the perception that he's not a dinosaur. Should be an interesting drama. I see the Mac criticisms as overstated and think he's going to do well.
Again, the example I use is Nick Mullens. If Kyle can get Nick to be the 2nd overall passing yardage in the history of the NFL (over a 16 game period as a rookie) -- the first being Mahomes. Imagine what he can do with Mac, who's X10 in everything regarding Nick. Mac will be fine.
As for draft value, if the NFL league is composed of 40% undrafted players (somebody correct me if I got the wrong numbers) then any draft pick be it a 1st round pick or a 7th round pick is overvalued at 40%.
Originally posted by FL9er:
By far the most polarizing prospect in the draft.
Very lively discussion on NFL Live just now. Opinions from a 49ers fan, Seahawks fan, former QB, defensive player.
Originally posted by SD49er:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by SD49er:
This narrative is so played out. Whether receivers were open does not change Jones' pre-snap reads, pocket presence, ability to climb or adjust in the pocket, quickly process and move through reads, and delivery of incredibly accurate balls. Lawrence and Fields have both had tons of talent around them (see Joe Burrows). The tape does not show these receivers bailing Jones out, it shows Jones delivering amazing balls. The reciprocal argument is Jones made the receivers look all world because of his elite level of play. Why doesn't it work both ways? Tua didn't make the wrs look this good. Smith's number went way up with Jones from the year before, as did everyone's numbers.
Smith's numbers went up because Jeudy and Ruggs were drafted and Waddle missed half the season.
Go look at all of the numbers. Jones threw for more touchdowns and more yards than Tua with less "elite" receivers. Jones had Smith and Waddle for a short time, while Tua had Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, and Waddle. Najee Harris' receiving numbers also went up. The entire offense played better with less with Jones. The claim that the receivers deserve all the credit, as a reason to discount Jones, is asinine.
