Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I like Mac a lot. I'd pound the table for him at #12 or in a trade up to 6-9 if Fields was gone.

I just have a hard time passing on Fields for this dude.

Didn't you say you were good with any choice of the three QB's.

I am good with Jones. I think me saying I like Mac a lot above says I'll be good with any of the three QBs.

But I will be super underwhelmed if it's Jones. I think Fields should be the pick.

Cause Fields > Mac. Jones has no business going top 3.

If we draft Mac and he plays like Brees did, how many folks on here will complain about drafting him at 3?

Originally posted by eastie:
If we draft Mac and he plays like Brees did, how many folks on here will complain about drafting him at 3?

Mac can't hold Brees' jockstrap

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Mike was running everything when he was in Denver and got fired in 2008 after series of bad picks and FA pickups and losing 3 games in a row to end the season and lost a playoff berth again.

"He focused on defense in 2007, using two of his four picks for defensive linemen Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder, neither of whom has been much of a factor. Also of late, he wasted a third-round pick on Maurice Clarett (2005), spent millions on Travis Henry (2007), never got anything from Boss Bailey, Niko Koutouvides and Dewayne Robertson (2008)."

After 14yrs 2 Super Bowl Victories and becoming the winningest coach in franchise history seems like a pretty successful run to me.

I'm betting he'll be HOF nominee sometime in the near future. If he was advising Kyle, I'm good with that, versus some coach like Mooch or Erickson who's won *nothing* important in the NFL in my opinion.

I'd rather someone with a history of scouting, evaluating and developing QBs be the one to advise Kyle. Mike Shanahan was a good head coach, but that doesn't mean he's good at projecting what a college QB can do in the pros.

Disagree, he evolved Bill Walsh's offense with the outside zone run scheme. He's a head coach that deals with every aspect of football operations from Scouting to actual coaching. The best GM that the 49ers have ever had was John McVay, who was an ex NY Giants football ***COACH*** and Mike kind of serves as (I think) an unofficial assistant GM to John and Adam. Oh by the way, he has 3 super bowl rings and is one of the legitimate heirs to the Walsh offense (Along with Holmgren, Seifert, and Fat Andy).

I'm not saying that coaches can't be good GMs. I just don't think that it's the same skill set. There are plenty of great HCs that haven't made for good GMs or scouts.

Mike Shanahan was never able to get much out of his QBs that weren't named Young or Elway and picked neither of those guys. There's nothing in his history that says he's great at looking at a college QBs film and accurately projecting what he can become in the pros.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
posting this for accuracy

Originally posted by hohbie:


I was really down on the Mac Jones hype to us but have been trying to come to terms with it because I think it is the choice. This video and others out there like it, help ease the pain a bit.

How many games did we lose or come close to losing because of Jimmy and his one terrible turnover per game. I love Garoppolo but if you take away the dumb turnovers and sacks our team gets much better.

Also, I think Kyle could make any QB look good but if you are talking which QB would be the best in his system I think it is Drew Brees. If you gave Kyle the accuracy and decision making of Brees, I think that would beat any combination of other quarterbacks other than Mahomes or Rodgers. I would take that over Jackson, Wilson, Murray, etc.

I think that is what he sees with Mac. If he's right it's a home run with Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo, Juice, etc. Good luck taking those away if the QB is making the right reads and not making negative plays (sacks, picks).

Love it. Athleticism is a phone booth while memorizing the phonebook and calling all his friends.

Originally posted by eastie:
If we draft Mac and he plays like Brees did, how many folks on here will complain about drafting him at 3?

And if he becomes Josh Rosen?

Here's what Chris Simms said about Rosen when the Cardinals drafted him:

"A+. He was my second favorite QB in the entire draft. He's as safe as pick as you can make... He's a tennis prodigy... Prettiest thrower in the draft. Most pro-ready QB in this class. Most game-ready, most ready to go, day one. He's extremely accurate, a great decision maker and lightning fast processor, he's got great feel within the pocket, he's got a stronger arm than people give him credit for... he's Matt Ryan with a better arm."

That sounds pretty damn close to how these guys are now talking about Jones.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by eastie:
If we draft Mac and he plays like Brees did, how many folks on here will complain about drafting him at 3?

And if he becomes Josh Rosen?

Here's what Chris Simms said about Rosen when the Cardinals drafted him:

"A+. He was my second favorite QB in the entire draft. He's as safe as pick as you can make... He's a tennis prodigy... Prettiest thrower in the draft. Most pro-ready QB in this class. Most game-ready, most ready to go, day one. He's extremely accurate, a great decision maker and lightning fast processor, he's got great feel within the pocket, he's got a stronger arm than people give him credit for... he's Matt Ryan with a better arm."

That sounds pretty damn close to how these guys are now talking about Jones.

Then we get two Josh Rosens!

Originally posted by eastie:
If we draft Mac and he plays like Brees did, how many folks on here will complain about drafting him at 3?

Somebody will complain, because somebody will always complain....but that is the extreme comparison to make. The thing is, you almost have to go to those lengths because of the fact that he's generally seen as beneath the other top end guys, plus the fact that SF traded a lot of capital to move up to make this selection. He almost needs to be Drew Brees given all of that.

Originally posted by Eli_23:

Originally posted by eastie:
If we draft Mac and he plays like Brees did, how many folks on here will complain about drafting him at 3?

Mac can't hold Brees' jockstrap

Brees also wasn't anything to write home about his first few years.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Costanza:
The one comment that Shanahan made in the presser that was kinda revealing was when he said:

"If you were excited about getting one of these guys at 12, you should be excited about getting one at three. It's about whether you get one."

To me that was a subtle way of addressing people questioning why trade up to 3 if you're going to take a guy that might be available at 12....kinda screamed like a defense of taking Mac Jones at 3 to me.

I could be wrong. We'll find out tomorrow.

Agree. I read it the same way.

Me too, but the logic is crap. There is a massive difference in the amount of capital used for the 3 compared with the 12, so there is more margin to withstand a bust if you hang at 12 and get him there. They must love him and/or were convinced that they would be leapfrogged and lose him. That is debatable, but I think Kyle's big picture comment is true -- if you get a 10 year starter you can win with, the overpayment will be insignificant. If it busts, Kyle will likely lose his job and will have to fight the perception that he's not a dinosaur. Should be an interesting drama. I see the Mac criticisms as overstated and think he's going to do well.

NY85 looks at just the player and I look at the system and scheme and how the players fit in the scheme.

Again, the example I use is Nick Mullens. If Kyle can get Nick to be the 2nd overall passing yardage in the history of the NFL (over a 16 game period as a rookie) -- the first being Mahomes. Imagine what he can do with Mac, who's X10 in everything regarding Nick. Mac will be fine.

As for draft value, if the NFL league is composed of 40% undrafted players (somebody correct me if I got the wrong numbers) then any draft pick be it a 1st round pick or a 7th round pick is overvalued at 40%.

How many wins did Nick Mullens getting all of those yards equal??? That stat means absolutely nothing if you can't win games. Kyle also had Alfred Morris running 17-1800 yards with rg3 and the threat of a zone read run. Now imagine Kyle tayloring the offense with a guy that runs like rg3 and throws better than mullens with all of those fancy yards. That would be fields or lance and IMO.

As long as Mullens beat Seadderall, I'm happy. If you can get a win off of Cheat Carrolls defense, that's saying something. I think Mac is athletic enough to run RPO's - but clearly not with the explosiveness of a Fields or Lance - still Mac can execute movement plays (I think) almost as well as Fields or Lance. In other words, (for example) a Boot Keeper play would be a wash. Mac would be able to thread the needle to Kittle and either Fields or Lance would probably get a first down if not more on the ground. What I think Kyle sees in Mac is a Kyle 2.0 out there in the gridiron that can see the defense and get his team the correct mismatches for Kyle's offense to work. Kyle's all about getting mismatches and running plays that wrongfoots the defense -- versus the Greg Roman offense that is much heavier on the QB running the ball and being more of an athlete than a cerebral pass distributor.

Again, any of the 3 can run Kyles offense, just to varying degrees of sophistication. Trey will need a year to get up to NFL speed, Fields has to correct his mechanics and accuracy, and Mac is already pretty ready to run Kyles offense -- he just doesn't have the Wheels that Trey and Fields has.

Jimmy moves better than Mac outside the pocket there would be absolutely zero difference in the boot game from jimmy to Mac. Mac seems hits the deep ball a little Jimmy. Even thiugh coming out jimmy seemed to sling it deep better than he does now. I do not see the offense eve loving much at all with Mac over jimmy outside of maybe hitting a wide open receiver that jimmy doesn't see and hitting some deep balls. Which is not necessarily a bad thing we were in the sb and one deep ball away from winning. Lance or fields would completely change the way that defenses had to defend the 9ers. I have heard all of these three are "geniuses" which I have found odd throughout the process so picking up the playbook shouldn't be an issue. I think lance is much closer to playing than people think because he's been on a pro offense calling protections for awhile. He also seems insanely smart, composed and mature in interviews. Carries himself wayyyy better than frat boy Mac and seems more sure of himself than fields who is much quieter. Finally I could agree with fields mechanics needing a little tweaking but what on earth is wrong with his accuracy???

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by eastie:
If we draft Mac and he plays like Brees did, how many folks on here will complain about drafting him at 3?

And if he becomes Josh Rosen?

Here's what Chris Simms said about Rosen when the Cardinals drafted him:

"A+. He was my second favorite QB in the entire draft. He's as safe as pick as you can make... He's a tennis prodigy... Prettiest thrower in the draft. Most pro-ready QB in this class. Most game-ready, most ready to go, day one. He's extremely accurate, a great decision maker and lightning fast processor, he's got great feel within the pocket, he's got a stronger arm than people give him credit for... he's Matt Ryan with a better arm."

That sounds pretty damn close to how these guys are now talking about Jones.

Then we get two Josh Rosens!

Originally posted by Eli_23:

Originally posted by eastie:
If we draft Mac and he plays like Brees did, how many folks on here will complain about drafting him at 3?

Mac can't hold Brees' jockstrap

5'10 Breeze now throws a better ball😕

"If they do take Mac Jones, I'll believe it is one of........it is, the craziest draft pick in the history of the league."

John Middlekauff

LMFAO