Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

If Jones is the pick. Hopefully this will be the case

Originally posted by FL9er:
"If they do take Mac Jones, I'll believe it is one of........it is, the craziest draft pick in the history of the league."

John Middlekauff

LMFAO

LOL. That douche flips daily.

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Costanza:
The one comment that Shanahan made in the presser that was kinda revealing was when he said:

"If you were excited about getting one of these guys at 12, you should be excited about getting one at three. It's about whether you get one."

To me that was a subtle way of addressing people questioning why trade up to 3 if you're going to take a guy that might be available at 12....kinda screamed like a defense of taking Mac Jones at 3 to me.

I could be wrong. We'll find out tomorrow.

Agree. I read it the same way.

Me too, but the logic is crap. There is a massive difference in the amount of capital used for the 3 compared with the 12, so there is more margin to withstand a bust if you hang at 12 and get him there. They must love him and/or were convinced that they would be leapfrogged and lose him. That is debatable, but I think Kyle's big picture comment is true -- if you get a 10 year starter you can win with, the overpayment will be insignificant. If it busts, Kyle will likely lose his job and will have to fight the perception that he's not a dinosaur. Should be an interesting drama. I see the Mac criticisms as overstated and think he's going to do well.

NY85 looks at just the player and I look at the system and scheme and how the players fit in the scheme.

Again, the example I use is Nick Mullens. If Kyle can get Nick to be the 2nd overall passing yardage in the history of the NFL (over a 16 game period as a rookie) -- the first being Mahomes. Imagine what he can do with Mac, who's X10 in everything regarding Nick. Mac will be fine.

As for draft value, if the NFL league is composed of 40% undrafted players (somebody correct me if I got the wrong numbers) then any draft pick be it a 1st round pick or a 7th round pick is overvalued at 40%.

How many wins did Nick Mullens getting all of those yards equal??? That stat means absolutely nothing if you can't win games. Kyle also had Alfred Morris running 17-1800 yards with rg3 and the threat of a zone read run. Now imagine Kyle tayloring the offense with a guy that runs like rg3 and throws better than mullens with all of those fancy yards. That would be fields or lance and IMO.

As long as Mullens beat Seadderall, I'm happy. If you can get a win off of Cheat Carrolls defense, that's saying something. I think Mac is athletic enough to run RPO's - but clearly not with the explosiveness of a Fields or Lance - still Mac can execute movement plays (I think) almost as well as Fields or Lance. In other words, (for example) a Boot Keeper play would be a wash. Mac would be able to thread the needle to Kittle and either Fields or Lance would probably get a first down if not more on the ground. What I think Kyle sees in Mac is a Kyle 2.0 out there in the gridiron that can see the defense and get his team the correct mismatches for Kyle's offense to work. Kyle's all about getting mismatches and running plays that wrongfoots the defense -- versus the Greg Roman offense that is much heavier on the QB running the ball and being more of an athlete than a cerebral pass distributor.

Again, any of the 3 can run Kyles offense, just to varying degrees of sophistication. Trey will need a year to get up to NFL speed, Fields has to correct his mechanics and accuracy, and Mac is already pretty ready to run Kyles offense -- he just doesn't have the Wheels that Trey and Fields has.

Jimmy moves better than Mac outside the pocket there would be absolutely zero difference in the boot game from jimmy to Mac. Mac seems hits the deep ball a little Jimmy. Even thiugh coming out jimmy seemed to sling it deep better than he does now. I do not see the offense eve loving much at all with Mac over jimmy outside of maybe hitting a wide open receiver that jimmy doesn't see and hitting some deep balls. Which is not necessarily a bad thing we were in the sb and one deep ball away from winning. Lance or fields would completely change the way that defenses had to defend the 9ers. I have heard all of these three are "geniuses" which I have found odd throughout the process so picking up the playbook shouldn't be an issue. I think lance is much closer to playing than people think because he's been on a pro offense calling protections for awhile. He also seems insanely smart, composed and mature in interviews. Carries himself wayyyy better than frat boy Mac and seems more sure of himself than fields who is much quieter. Finally I could agree with fields mechanics needing a little tweaking but what on earth is wrong with his accuracy???

Kyle said in his monday pre-draft interview that the zone read and RPO's open up the passing game if defenses load up on stopping those plays. He said the key there is to pass against those kinds of defenses. The question I have is why has Lamar Jackson been unsuccessful in the playoffs despite his pocket passing ability?

As for Kyle, he's repeatedly said (paraphrasing Kyle) - QB's make his team primarily from the pocket, any extra a QB brings to the table is considered *after* he's made the team with his QB pocket skills.

Originally posted by NCommand:

The #49ers have made a decision on what they'll do tomorrow night at No. 3 overall, per @AdamSchefter. They're keeping it close to the vest.

— NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) April 28, 2021

I actually agree with Schefter and I think "keeping it close to the vest" is a good decision to make.

Originally posted by 4ML:

There's more chatter than at any point in the process about Trey Lance and San Francisco but I still believe Jones is the pick. But it's closer than I previously believed. https://t.co/XN36GdGYOJ

— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) April 28, 2021

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by FL9er:
"If they do take Mac Jones, I'll believe it is one of........it is, the craziest draft pick in the history of the league."

John Middlekauff

LMFAO

LOL. That douche flips daily.

Middlekauff has been pretty consistent that he doesn't like the value for Jones at 3 (not that he dislikes Jones overall) and prefers Lance at that spot

Originally posted by Giedi:
Kyle said in his monday pre-draft interview that the zone read and RPO's open up the passing game if defenses load up on stopping those plays. He said the key there is to pass against those kinds of defenses. The question I have is why has Lamar Jackson been unsuccessful in the playoffs despite his pocket passing ability?

As for Kyle, he's repeatedly said (paraphrasing Kyle) - QB's make his team primarily from the pocket, any extra a QB brings to the table is considered *after* he's made the team with his QB pocket skills.

Jackson isn't a pocket passer. to beat him , Russell and Murray. you keep them in the pocket

As for Fields and Lance, what makes them less of a pocket passer than Jones ?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I like Mac a lot. I'd pound the table for him at #12 or in a trade up to 6-9 if Fields was gone.

I just have a hard time passing on Fields for this dude.

Didn't you say you were good with any choice of the three QB's.

I am good with Jones. I think me saying I like Mac a lot above says I'll be good with any of the three QBs.

But I will be super underwhelmed if it's Jones. I think Fields should be the pick.

Cause Fields > Mac. Jones has no business going top 3.

Yes.

If it went

1. Lawrence
2. Wilson
3. Fields
4. Lance
5. ______

And we had the 5th pick in the draft...I'd bang the table for Jones even at 5 and say take him and be stoked. But not if Fields is just sitting there for the taking at #3.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by eastie:
If we draft Mac and he plays like Brees did, how many folks on here will complain about drafting him at 3?

And if he becomes Josh Rosen?

Here's what Chris Simms said about Rosen when the Cardinals drafted him:

"A+. He was my second favorite QB in the entire draft. He's as safe as pick as you can make... He's a tennis prodigy... Prettiest thrower in the draft. Most pro-ready QB in this class. Most game-ready, most ready to go, day one. He's extremely accurate, a great decision maker and lightning fast processor, he's got great feel within the pocket, he's got a stronger arm than people give him credit for... he's Matt Ryan with a better arm."

That sounds pretty damn close to how these guys are now talking about Jones.

Haha. No, that's waaaaaaaaay different. I just can't think of an excuse why. Lol

Originally posted by swayze:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by FL9er:
"If they do take Mac Jones, I'll believe it is one of........it is, the craziest draft pick in the history of the league."

John Middlekauff

LMFAO

LOL. That douche flips daily.

Middlekauff has been pretty consistent that he doesn't like the value for Jones at 3 (not that he dislikes Jones overall) and prefers Lance at that spot

This. He has consistently said he thinks it's Lance. Saying that if it's Mac it would be a crazy trade doesn't mean he's flipping

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Come on man it's almost dinner time.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

this is great