Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Ok I've got it. Mac jones on any other team doesn't scare anyone. Mac jones on the 49ers with shanahan could be interesting.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Wait!!

What if NYJ draft Mac Jones!!???

Then the 49ers will draft Zach Wilson and I get to walk around with a boner all day.

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Originally posted by Costanza:
The one comment that Shanahan made in the presser that was kinda revealing was when he said:

"If you were excited about getting one of these guys at 12, you should be excited about getting one at three. It's about whether you get one."

To me that was a subtle way of addressing people questioning why trade up to 3 if you're going to take a guy that might be available at 12....kinda screamed like a defense of taking Mac Jones at 3 to me.

I could be wrong. We'll find out tomorrow.

Agree. I read it the same way.

Me too, but the logic is crap. There is a massive difference in the amount of capital used for the 3 compared with the 12, so there is more margin to withstand a bust if you hang at 12 and get him there. They must love him and/or were convinced that they would be leapfrogged and lose him. That is debatable, but I think Kyle's big picture comment is true -- if you get a 10 year starter you can win with, the overpayment will be insignificant. If it busts, Kyle will likely lose his job and will have to fight the perception that he's not a dinosaur. Should be an interesting drama. I see the Mac criticisms as overstated and think he's going to do well.

NY85 looks at just the player and I look at the system and scheme and how the players fit in the scheme.

Again, the example I use is Nick Mullens. If Kyle can get Nick to be the 2nd overall passing yardage in the history of the NFL (over a 16 game period as a rookie) -- the first being Mahomes. Imagine what he can do with Mac, who's X10 in everything regarding Nick. Mac will be fine.

As for draft value, if the NFL league is composed of 40% undrafted players (somebody correct me if I got the wrong numbers) then any draft pick be it a 1st round pick or a 7th round pick is overvalued at 40%.

How many wins did Nick Mullens getting all of those yards equal??? That stat means absolutely nothing if you can't win games. Kyle also had Alfred Morris running 17-1800 yards with rg3 and the threat of a zone read run. Now imagine Kyle tayloring the offense with a guy that runs like rg3 and throws better than mullens with all of those fancy yards. That would be fields or lance and IMO.

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As long as Mullens beat Seadderall, I'm happy. If you can get a win off of Cheat Carrolls defense, that's saying something. I think Mac is athletic enough to run RPO's - but clearly not with the explosiveness of a Fields or Lance - still Mac can execute movement plays (I think) almost as well as Fields or Lance. In other words, (for example) a Boot Keeper play would be a wash. Mac would be able to thread the needle to Kittle and either Fields or Lance would probably get a first down if not more on the ground. What I think Kyle sees in Mac is a Kyle 2.0 out there in the gridiron that can see the defense and get his team the correct mismatches for Kyle's offense to work. Kyle's all about getting mismatches and running plays that wrongfoots the defense -- versus the Greg Roman offense that is much heavier on the QB running the ball and being more of an athlete than a cerebral pass distributor.

Again, any of the 3 can run Kyles offense, just to varying degrees of sophistication. Trey will need a year to get up to NFL speed, Fields has to correct his mechanics and accuracy, and Mac is already pretty ready to run Kyles offense -- he just doesn't have the Wheels that Trey and Fields has.

Jimmy moves better than Mac outside the pocket there would be absolutely zero difference in the boot game from jimmy to Mac. Mac seems hits the deep ball a little Jimmy. Even thiugh coming out jimmy seemed to sling it deep better than he does now. I do not see the offense eve loving much at all with Mac over jimmy outside of maybe hitting a wide open receiver that jimmy doesn't see and hitting some deep balls. Which is not necessarily a bad thing we were in the sb and one deep ball away from winning. Lance or fields would completely change the way that defenses had to defend the 9ers. I have heard all of these three are "geniuses" which I have found odd throughout the process so picking up the playbook shouldn't be an issue. I think lance is much closer to playing than people think because he's been on a pro offense calling protections for awhile. He also seems insanely smart, composed and mature in interviews. Carries himself wayyyy better than frat boy Mac and seems more sure of himself than fields who is much quieter. Finally I could agree with fields mechanics needing a little tweaking but what on earth is wrong with his accuracy???

Kyle said in his monday pre-draft interview that the zone read and RPO's open up the passing game if defenses load up on stopping those plays. He said the key there is to pass against those kinds of defenses. The question I have is why has Lamar Jackson been unsuccessful in the playoffs despite his pocket passing ability?

As for Kyle, he's repeatedly said (paraphrasing Kyle) - QB's make his team primarily from the pocket, any extra a QB brings to the table is considered *after* he's made the team with his QB pocket skills.

It's because Lamar doesn't play defense

Originally posted by thl408:
The bolded is where I don't agree. There is no reason to give the teams behind you any tips on what you will do. Why give them the intel so they can plan accordingly? Let them wonder. Let them waste time planning hypotheticals in their war room. Let them scramble after the pick is announced. Maybe Kyle still resents the Falcons for playing stupid defense and allowing him to be associated with the biggest blown lead in SB history. It is always better to misdirect and/or reveal nothing. What if Kyle says he likes a certain QB, then the Jets take that QB, now everyone knows SF was forced to select their second choice.

Also you know, if your guy goes nuts, beats up his girlfriend/wife, robs a bank....etc, you can still back out of it without having committed in advance.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Trey Lance? The most pro ready???

Crocker's gotta stay in his lane. He's losing it wanting those CB skills at QB.

Why is Jones? They're all saying Lance has the highest football IQ out of all of them oh and he did this...basically ran Kyle's offense, huddled up (not taking signs from the side line), called his own protections, got half plays at the LOS then got to change it based on pre snap reads, had long lengthy play calls, played under center....also spent the last 6 months learning NFL playbooks with NFL QBs....yeah I think he could run the offense about as well as Jimmy did.

I mean I'm pretty sure RG3 did fine his rookie yr, no? He came out of a straight up air raid offense too

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Trey Lance? The most pro ready???

Crocker's gotta stay in his lane. He's losing it wanting those CB skills at QB.

Why is Jones? They're all saying Lance has the highest football IQ out of all of them oh and he did this...basically ran Kyle's offense, huddled up (not taking signs from the side line), called his own protections, got half plays at the LOS then got to change it based on pre snap reads, had long lengthy play calls, played under center....also spent the last 6 months learning NFL playbooks with NFL QBs....yeah I think he could run the offense about as well as Jimmy did.

I mean I'm pretty sure RG3 did fine his rookie yr, no? He came out of a straight up air raid offense too

The competition level doesn't bother you? Did he play against one NFL caliber player?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why is Jones? They're all saying Lance has the highest football IQ out of all of them oh and he did this...basically ran Kyle's offense, huddled up (not taking signs from the side line), called his own protections, got half plays at the LOS then got to change it based on pre snap reads, had long lengthy play calls, played under center....also spent the last 6 months learning NFL playbooks with NFL QBs....yeah I think he could run the offense about as well as Jimmy did.

I mean I'm pretty sure RG3 did fine his rookie yr, no? He came out of a straight up air raid offense too

318 passes

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Trey Lance? The most pro ready???

Crocker's gotta stay in his lane. He's losing it wanting those CB skills at QB.

Why is Jones? They're all saying Lance has the highest football IQ out of all of them oh and he did this...basically ran Kyle's offense, huddled up (not taking signs from the side line), called his own protections, got half plays at the LOS then got to change it based on pre snap reads, had long lengthy play calls, played under center....also spent the last 6 months learning NFL playbooks with NFL QBs....yeah I think he could run the offense about as well as Jimmy did.

I mean I'm pretty sure RG3 did fine his rookie yr, no? He came out of a straight up air raid offense too

The competition level doesn't bother you? Did he play against one NFL caliber player?

If he didn't have the intelligence or maturity, then sure. I'd rather have Jimmy start than any rookie QB, but Lance has what you need between the ears to make the most out of his gifts. Again, he was putting together elite tape the same age Mac was drinking, crashing into cars, and almost getting booted from his program.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Trey Lance? The most pro ready???

Crocker's gotta stay in his lane. He's losing it wanting those CB skills at QB.

Why is Jones? They're all saying Lance has the highest football IQ out of all of them oh and he did this...basically ran Kyle's offense, huddled up (not taking signs from the side line), called his own protections, got half plays at the LOS then got to change it based on pre snap reads, had long lengthy play calls, played under center....also spent the last 6 months learning NFL playbooks with NFL QBs....yeah I think he could run the offense about as well as Jimmy did.

I mean I'm pretty sure RG3 did fine his rookie yr, no? He came out of a straight up air raid offense too

Let's be real. I watched something today that said Lance's # of throwing attempts will be the lowest of any QB drafted in the first round in the last 40 years. That is against the bad competition in the FCS as well. Not to mention the accuracy issues. He is incredibly raw. How so many people feel comfortable with him at #3 is crazy to me.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

whoa, where you been?

Oh here and there. Should be an interesting draft

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Let's be real. I watched something today that said Lance's # of throwing attempts will be the lowest of any QB drafted in the first round in the last 40 years. That is against the bad competition in the FCS as well. Not to mention the accuracy issues. He is incredibly raw. How so many people feel comfortable with him at #3 is crazy to me.

Wonder if that has anything to do with, I don't know, a global pandemic that relegated his season to a glorified exhibition game? Still, he showed the initiative to work with multiple QB gurus and displayed improvement in areas of question. I trust that if he's the pick, then his work with guys like Beck count a lot towards how talent evaluators feel about him over questions regarding his lack of attempts.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Ok I've got it. Mac jones on any other team doesn't scare anyone. Mac jones on the 49ers with shanahan could be interesting.

Shut up and take my 2 extra first round picks

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Trey Lance? The most pro ready???

Crocker's gotta stay in his lane. He's losing it wanting those CB skills at QB.

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Why is Jones? They're all saying Lance has the highest football IQ out of all of them oh and he did this...basically ran Kyle's offense, huddled up (not taking signs from the side line), called his own protections, got half plays at the LOS then got to change it based on pre snap reads, had long lengthy play calls, played under center....also spent the last 6 months learning NFL playbooks with NFL QBs....yeah I think he could run the offense about as well as Jimmy did.

I mean I'm pretty sure RG3 did fine his rookie yr, no? He came out of a straight up air raid offense too

The competition level doesn't bother you? Did he play against one NFL caliber player?

If he didn't have the intelligence or maturity, then sure. I'd rather have Jimmy start than any rookie QB, but Lance has what you need between the ears to make the most out of his gifts. Again, he was putting together elite tape the same age Mac was drinking, crashing into cars, and almost getting booted from his program.

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Total games in collegiate career with at least 6 completions 10+ yards downfield (FBS avg is ~5.5 per start) Trevor Lawrence: 21 Zach Wilson: 21 Justin Fields: 16 Mac Jones: 12 Trey Lance: 1

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Let's be real. I watched something today that said Lance's # of throwing attempts will be the lowest of any QB drafted in the first round in the last 40 years. That is against the bad competition in the FCS as well. Not to mention the accuracy issues. He is incredibly raw. How so many people feel comfortable with him at #3 is crazy to me.

Wonder if that has anything to do with, I don't know, a global pandemic that relegated his season to a glorified exhibition game? Still, he showed the initiative to work with multiple QB gurus and displayed improvement in areas of question. I trust that if he's the pick, then his work with guys like Beck count a lot towards how talent evaluators feel about him over questions regarding his lack of attempts.

It doesn't matter why he has so little experience. When you Don't have the experience. You don't have the experience. It doesn't matter why he lacked consistent accuracy. Or even if he has improved. When the only tape he has shows he is not accurate consistently. Having a knowledgeable guy watch someone throw in shorts, is never going to replace the fact that Lance doesn't have good game experience.

Originally posted by scooterhd:
I think there are plenty of reasons to keep secrets.

You have to consider that there are a ton of connections to the Jets. If your hypothetical board looks like Lawrence, Fields, Lance, Wilson and you start hyping up Fields as the pick and making things public, you may be tempting the Jets to reconsider their selection. They want to run the same offense and if big brother is thinking a certain way they are going to reexplore that as well. Tipping your hand could also let Atlanta and the Jets work a deal to swap picks, allowing the Jets to draft Wilson at 4 (and collecting more picks), and the Falcons to take Fields at 2. Or could be a 3 team trade with someone else coming in to move to 2. Thing back to the 2017 draft where we knew Chicago's play and could threaten to move the pick unless we were compensated. You dont want to give up any leverage to other teams. They will exploit you.

You also dont want teams to behind you to be given time to pre plan moves and trades. Right now the draft really starts with SF and you want to keep it that way. Making your pick public lessens the chaos. Then we know what QBs are available at 4. Teams have more authority to really start working on deals with Atlanta, Cinci, Miami, Carolina, etc. You dont want to empower anybody. Keep the draft chaotic and make them do all their homework and prepare for all possible avenues.