Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

The 2018 Alabama QB room was unreal 🤯

Then: Now: pic.twitter.com/8o21TAetGa

— B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) May 4, 2021

In college.........we will see if it translates to the NFL.

~10% of expected NFL QB starters are from that picture /roster

I'm not sold on any of those 3. That could be 3 busts standing there.

Jalen Hurts will be the best out of this bunch but that's not saying much. Neither will be starters for long.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
And what does that have to do with your previous point?

That a complete team with physically ordinary QBs can beat even the "Super QBs." Belichick was running defenses that were giving Bill Walsh trouble in the 80s and he's only gotten better since. If he can build a high end defense again in New England, he won't need a "Super QB" for his teams to be successful.

That's the point though. You need a complete team and an all time great coach around that kind of QB. And even then - Only Tom Brady has been able to win championships by strictly staying in the pocket in recent times. Look at the playoffs teams - it is consistently mobile QBs who can get out of the pocket or run for big yards who are usually there.

...it's bc you can win with lesser talent with these multi-skilled QBs. You've more room error. Obviously - Kyle feels he would have 2 SBs if he had a mobile QB - hence the decision to go get a mobile QB over 2 statues.

I'm sure Kyle feels he would have won have 2 SB's if he had a healthy Alex Mack in both games.

Sure. Injuries happen - especially at OL. Exactly why you need a "Super QB" to make up for not so ideal situation. Exactly the point again.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Sure. Injuries happen - especially at OL. Exactly why you need a "Super QB" to make up for not so ideal situation. Exactly the point again.

How did making up for injuries on the OL go for Mahomes?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Sure. Injuries happen - especially at OL. Exactly why you need a "Super QB" to make up for not so ideal situation. Exactly the point again.

How did making up for injuries on the OL go for Mahomes?

there's a difference between having an average OL, and having 3rd/4th stringers starting during the SB.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
there's a difference between having an average OL, and having 3rd/4th stringers starting during the SB.

My whole point was that everyone needs a lot of help, even "Super QB's." Everyone needs a defense that can get stops when needed, some semblance of a run game, reasonable enough pass blocking, you don't win a SB without those things, I don't care if you can pull a golden football out of your ass and toss it a mile, you're going to end up losing to a more complete team. Its why Rodgers, as good as he is, and he's future HOF level, is still sitting on just one SB appearance.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

The 2018 Alabama QB room was unreal 🤯

Then: Now: pic.twitter.com/8o21TAetGa

— B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) May 4, 2021

In college.........we will see if it translates to the NFL.

~10% of expected NFL QB starters are from that picture /roster

I'm not sold on any of those 3. That could be 3 busts standing there.

Jalen Hurts will be the best out of this bunch but that's not saying much. Neither will be starters for long.

I'd be willing to bet big money against that. I'll be surprised if Hurts holds the job a whole year. Tua is going to be good because all the talent they will have around him, and most importantly, getting out of Chan Gaileys system.
Then Mac has a great set up as well and is a much better qb than Hurts. I love Jalen and always will, he was a model player at Bama, but I do t see him ever being consistent enough from the pocket to be a long time starter.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
there's a difference between having an average OL, and having 3rd/4th stringers starting during the SB.

My whole point was that everyone needs a lot of help, even "Super QB's." Everyone needs a defense that can get stops when needed, some semblance of a run game, reasonable enough pass blocking, you don't win a SB without those things, I don't care if you can pull a golden football out of your ass and toss it a mile, you're going to end up losing to a more complete team. Its why Rodgers, as good as he is, and he's future HOF level, is still sitting on just one SB appearance.

This is why sometimes it is better to develop a talented thrower into being a game manager. It forces to build a team to support that QB rather than thinking the QB can carry the team. This has been done around Brady his entire career. Then combine that with Brady's aggressive style and it became a perfect match. I think without that aggressive edge, Brady would be another Alex Smith.

Look at all the years Brady won a championship. Top 5 defenses with NE and TB running the ball heavy in the playoffs. The SB vs ATL was the one outlier but that's because Kyle handed NE that championship. SEA also handed them one as well.

Have a feeling that Jones and Belichick are going to click, at least on a personal level.

https://theathletic.com/2570189/2021/05/06/mac-jones-coming-to-the-nfl-story-how-he-paved-path-from-alabama-to-the-patriots/

Then there was the uproar over Jones' commitment to Alabama, which already had Jalen Hurts on campus and was committed to five-star recruit Tua Tagovailoa. There was no direct path to the starting job, but Jones knew he'd redshirt as a freshman, learn the offense and continue to add weight. He planned to earn his degree in three years, at which point he believed he'd have his chance to start.

"There are so many of these guys who run away from competition, and he ran to it," former Bolles assistant coach Wayne Belger said.

Not many others believed in Jones the way he believed in himself.

"Hundreds of people probably told me he's making a mistake going to Alabama," f*gan said. "Hundreds, if not more."

That final stretch still wasn't enough to secure his starting job in 2020, as five-star phenom Bryce Young was on his way to Alabama to join the competition. So without spring ball in the pandemic, Jones took his level of preparation to extraordinary levels.

He bought a throwing net for his apartment. Jones set it up in his living room, which was the size of a one-car garage, took a bag of 40 balls outside, opened the windows and fired pass after pass.

When he was allowed back at the football facility, he'd head there every night until 11 p.m. to set up targets and throw more balls. He taught the offense to his girlfriend, so she could call out plays and he could process the reads and any checks at the line. He usually woke up by 5:30 a.m. to watch film at the facility, especially Sunday mornings when he knew he'd have the building to himself.

Jones meticulously took notes of every game of his Alabama career, including those he didn't play, using a pen with six colors – red ink for the red zone, green ink for the green area, other colors for third downs, backed-up situations and so on. He filled up a notebook for each opponent and neatly labeled everything in order to find specific pages as quickly as possible. It's been said Jones has a photographic memory, so if a past situation presented itself on the field in real time, he wanted to be ready to pounce.

For bigger study sessions, Jones set up a projector in his apartment. He'd watch film for hours with Joe Dickinson, his throwing coach, or anyone else who wanted to exchange ideas.

So when it was time to compete for the job over the summer, Jones never gave Young a chance.

"He was in such command," Sarkisian said. "It was like, sit back and enjoy this, guys, because this doesn't happen often, where a guy is in such control where he knows our protections, knows our route combinations, knows our personnel on the field and can get us to that point on a call that we hadn't even really practiced. He was in such command that you just had to sit back and enjoy this because this doesn't happen very often, especially at the college level."

At the Senior Bowl in January, director Jim Nagy's staff found Jones studying film in the convention center at midnight on back-to-back nights and had to kick him out in order to lock up the building. Jones then studied more notes in his hotel room until 2:30 a.m. when he'd text Morris to give him feedback. This was all before waking up by 6:30 a.m.

"He's just over the top about it," Morris said. "He doesn't want to miss a detail."

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Have a feeling that Jones and Belichick are going to click, at least on a personal level.

https://theathletic.com/2570189/2021/05/06/mac-jones-coming-to-the-nfl-story-how-he-paved-path-from-alabama-to-the-patriots/

Then there was the uproar over Jones' commitment to Alabama, which already had Jalen Hurts on campus and was committed to five-star recruit Tua Tagovailoa. There was no direct path to the starting job, but Jones knew he'd redshirt as a freshman, learn the offense and continue to add weight. He planned to earn his degree in three years, at which point he believed he'd have his chance to start.

"There are so many of these guys who run away from competition, and he ran to it," former Bolles assistant coach Wayne Belger said.

Not many others believed in Jones the way he believed in himself.

"Hundreds of people probably told me he's making a mistake going to Alabama," f*gan said. "Hundreds, if not more."

That final stretch still wasn't enough to secure his starting job in 2020, as five-star phenom Bryce Young was on his way to Alabama to join the competition. So without spring ball in the pandemic, Jones took his level of preparation to extraordinary levels.

He bought a throwing net for his apartment. Jones set it up in his living room, which was the size of a one-car garage, took a bag of 40 balls outside, opened the windows and fired pass after pass.

When he was allowed back at the football facility, he'd head there every night until 11 p.m. to set up targets and throw more balls. He taught the offense to his girlfriend, so she could call out plays and he could process the reads and any checks at the line. He usually woke up by 5:30 a.m. to watch film at the facility, especially Sunday mornings when he knew he'd have the building to himself.

Jones meticulously took notes of every game of his Alabama career, including those he didn't play, using a pen with six colors – red ink for the red zone, green ink for the green area, other colors for third downs, backed-up situations and so on. He filled up a notebook for each opponent and neatly labeled everything in order to find specific pages as quickly as possible. It's been said Jones has a photographic memory, so if a past situation presented itself on the field in real time, he wanted to be ready to pounce.

For bigger study sessions, Jones set up a projector in his apartment. He'd watch film for hours with Joe Dickinson, his throwing coach, or anyone else who wanted to exchange ideas.

So when it was time to compete for the job over the summer, Jones never gave Young a chance.

"He was in such command," Sarkisian said. "It was like, sit back and enjoy this, guys, because this doesn't happen often, where a guy is in such control where he knows our protections, knows our route combinations, knows our personnel on the field and can get us to that point on a call that we hadn't even really practiced. He was in such command that you just had to sit back and enjoy this because this doesn't happen very often, especially at the college level."

At the Senior Bowl in January, director Jim Nagy's staff found Jones studying film in the convention center at midnight on back-to-back nights and had to kick him out in order to lock up the building. Jones then studied more notes in his hotel room until 2:30 a.m. when he'd text Morris to give him feedback. This was all before waking up by 6:30 a.m.

"He's just over the top about it," Morris said. "He doesn't want to miss a detail."

No idea how he turns out, but that type of stuff is what the all time greats do.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
No idea how he turns out, but that type of stuff is what the all time greats do.

Studying can only get you so far in the nfl when you aren't physically elite

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
No idea how he turns out, but that type of stuff is what the all time greats do.

Studying can only get you so far in the nfl when you aren't physically elite

Yup, and Alex Smith was faster and had a better arm than Jones....

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
No idea how he turns out, but that type of stuff is what the all time greats do.

Studying can only get you so far in the nfl when you aren't physically elite

Brees? Brady? Mannings?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Have a feeling that Jones and Belichick are going to click, at least on a personal level.

https://theathletic.com/2570189/2021/05/06/mac-jones-coming-to-the-nfl-story-how-he-paved-path-from-alabama-to-the-patriots/

Then there was the uproar over Jones' commitment to Alabama, which already had Jalen Hurts on campus and was committed to five-star recruit Tua Tagovailoa. There was no direct path to the starting job, but Jones knew he'd redshirt as a freshman, learn the offense and continue to add weight. He planned to earn his degree in three years, at which point he believed he'd have his chance to start.

"There are so many of these guys who run away from competition, and he ran to it," former Bolles assistant coach Wayne Belger said.

Not many others believed in Jones the way he believed in himself.

"Hundreds of people probably told me he's making a mistake going to Alabama," f*gan said. "Hundreds, if not more."

That final stretch still wasn't enough to secure his starting job in 2020, as five-star phenom Bryce Young was on his way to Alabama to join the competition. So without spring ball in the pandemic, Jones took his level of preparation to extraordinary levels.

He bought a throwing net for his apartment. Jones set it up in his living room, which was the size of a one-car garage, took a bag of 40 balls outside, opened the windows and fired pass after pass.

When he was allowed back at the football facility, he'd head there every night until 11 p.m. to set up targets and throw more balls. He taught the offense to his girlfriend, so she could call out plays and he could process the reads and any checks at the line. He usually woke up by 5:30 a.m. to watch film at the facility, especially Sunday mornings when he knew he'd have the building to himself.

Jones meticulously took notes of every game of his Alabama career, including those he didn't play, using a pen with six colors – red ink for the red zone, green ink for the green area, other colors for third downs, backed-up situations and so on. He filled up a notebook for each opponent and neatly labeled everything in order to find specific pages as quickly as possible. It's been said Jones has a photographic memory, so if a past situation presented itself on the field in real time, he wanted to be ready to pounce.

For bigger study sessions, Jones set up a projector in his apartment. He'd watch film for hours with Joe Dickinson, his throwing coach, or anyone else who wanted to exchange ideas.

So when it was time to compete for the job over the summer, Jones never gave Young a chance.

"He was in such command," Sarkisian said. "It was like, sit back and enjoy this, guys, because this doesn't happen often, where a guy is in such control where he knows our protections, knows our route combinations, knows our personnel on the field and can get us to that point on a call that we hadn't even really practiced. He was in such command that you just had to sit back and enjoy this because this doesn't happen very often, especially at the college level."

At the Senior Bowl in January, director Jim Nagy's staff found Jones studying film in the convention center at midnight on back-to-back nights and had to kick him out in order to lock up the building. Jones then studied more notes in his hotel room until 2:30 a.m. when he'd text Morris to give him feedback. This was all before waking up by 6:30 a.m.

"He's just over the top about it," Morris said. "He doesn't want to miss a detail."

Not sure how accurate this is. I didn't see plate full of cookie eating on the schedule.

Plus we all know Trey Lance wouldn't let someone kick him out of the building. He'd stay there until he was done and then lock it up himself.

He would also teach the offense to his dog and the defense to his turtle and have a full blown game simulation with them.

Lance also doesn't sleep. He closes his eyes for a moment but it's only because he has motivational phrases tattooed on the inside of his eye lids.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Sure. Injuries happen - especially at OL. Exactly why you need a "Super QB" to make up for not so ideal situation. Exactly the point again.

How did making up for injuries on the OL go for Mahomes?

You won't win em all, but all in all, Mahomes is doing pretty okay