Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

One trait that I really like about Mac Jones is his ability to work the pocket and find windows within it in order to get the ball off cleanly. He's not very mobile outside of the pocket, but he has very good footwork inside of it. Feet are always alive and working.

— Jordan Reid (@JReidNFL) November 12, 2020

3 great examples here last year vs. Michigan. Always remains poised and the chaos around him doesn't affect him. pic.twitter.com/8WUecwZKbB

— Jordan Reid (@JReidNFL) November 12, 2020

Kirk Cousins 2.0

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

One trait that I really like about Mac Jones is his ability to work the pocket and find windows within it in order to get the ball off cleanly. He's not very mobile outside of the pocket, but he has very good footwork inside of it. Feet are always alive and working.

— Jordan Reid (@JReidNFL) November 12, 2020

3 great examples here last year vs. Michigan. Always remains poised and the chaos around him doesn't affect him. pic.twitter.com/8WUecwZKbB

— Jordan Reid (@JReidNFL) November 12, 2020

Kirk Cousins 2.0

Matt Ryan 2.0

If the 2 that are available when we pick are Jones and Trask, it'll be a tough decision. Trask seems to have a higher ceiling while Jones has a higher floor.

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Matt Ryan 2.0

nah dude...Ryan's arm talent is much better coming out of BC

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Bama QB's usually don't pan out.

Texas Tech QBs in the NFL prior to Pat Mahomes

BJ Symons
Kliff Kingsbury
Billy Joe Tolliver
Ron Reeves
Joe Barnes

Clemson QB's in the NFL prior to Deshaun Watson

Tajh Boyd
Charlie Whitehurst
Steve Fuller
Homer Jordan

Cal QB's in the NFL prior to Aaron Rodgers

Kyle Boller
Pat Barnes
Dave Barr
Mike Pawlawski
Troy Taylor
Rich Campbell

Wisconsin QB's in the NFL prior to Russell Wilson

Jim Sorgi
Brooks Bollinger
Bud Keyes
Randy Wright
Neill Graff

This man has gained wisdom in his 98,000 posts. I would like this post but no such function exists.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Bama QB's usually don't pan out.

Texas Tech QBs in the NFL prior to Pat Mahomes

BJ Symons
Kliff Kingsbury
Billy Joe Tolliver
Ron Reeves
Joe Barnes

Clemson QB's in the NFL prior to Deshaun Watson

Tajh Boyd
Charlie Whitehurst
Steve Fuller
Homer Jordan

Cal QB's in the NFL prior to Aaron Rodgers

Kyle Boller
Pat Barnes
Dave Barr
Mike Pawlawski
Troy Taylor
Rich Campbell

Wisconsin QB's in the NFL prior to Russell Wilson

Jim Sorgi
Brooks Bollinger
Bud Keyes
Randy Wright
Neill Graff

This man has gained wisdom in his 98,000 posts. I would like this post but no such function exists.

None of the QBs you list from other teams really lit it up. They were career backups or mediocre for the most part. On the other hand, Alabama had 3 QBs that were stars in the NFL. Bart Starr, Joe Namath and Ken Stabler. Even Richard Todd wasn't terrible with a bad Jets team. I agree that recent Bama QBs haven't been very good in the NFL. Jury still out on Tua.

You missed Steve Bartkowski and Craig Morton from Cal.

It's hard to evaluate how good individuals are at Bama because they have so much talent every year. Any where from 5 to 10 1st and 2nd rounders each year.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Bama QB's usually don't pan out.

Texas Tech QBs in the NFL prior to Pat Mahomes

BJ Symons
Kliff Kingsbury
Billy Joe Tolliver
Ron Reeves
Joe Barnes

Clemson QB's in the NFL prior to Deshaun Watson

Tajh Boyd
Charlie Whitehurst
Steve Fuller
Homer Jordan

Cal QB's in the NFL prior to Aaron Rodgers

Kyle Boller
Pat Barnes
Dave Barr
Mike Pawlawski
Troy Taylor
Rich Campbell

Wisconsin QB's in the NFL prior to Russell Wilson

Jim Sorgi
Brooks Bollinger
Bud Keyes
Randy Wright
Neill Graff

This man has gained wisdom in his 98,000 posts. I would like this post but no such function exists.

None of the QBs you list from other teams really lit it up. They were career backups or mediocre for the most part. On the other hand, Alabama had 3 QBs that were stars in the NFL. Bart Starr, Joe Namath and Ken Stabler. Even Richard Todd wasn't terrible with a bad Jets team. I agree that recent Bama QBs haven't been very good in the NFL. Jury still out on Tua.

You missed Steve Bartkowski and Craig Morton from Cal.

It's hard to evaluate how good individuals are at Bama because they have so much talent every year. Any where from 5 to 10 1st and 2nd rounders each year.

What do you mean me? I didn't make that post.

Unpopular opinion:

Anyway, arguments about the history of a school mean very little. Usually, the only reason a college has great players is because they out-recruit their competition. I'm sure coaching plays a role, but I think the biggest reason certain schools are position factories is because the very best high school players at the position those school are known for believe that myth and then sign up to play at those schools, and so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

But all that needs to happen to change that is for a great player to fly under the radar and then go to some school not known for producing great players at that position.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
What do you mean me? I didn't make that post.

Unpopular opinion:

Anyway, arguments about the history of a school mean very little. Usually, the only reason a college has great players is because they out-recruit their competition. I'm sure coaching plays a role, but I think the biggest reason certain schools are position factories is because the very best high school players at the position those school are known for believe that myth and then sign up to play at those schools, and so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

But all that needs to happen to change that is for a great player to fly under the radar and then go to some school not known for producing great players at that position.

I was referring to the list and your response was in the bracket. The list is what I commented on not your response.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

None of the QBs you list from other teams really lit it up. They were career backups or mediocre for the most part. On the other hand, Alabama had 3 QBs that were stars in the NFL. Bart Starr, Joe Namath and Ken Stabler. Even Richard Todd wasn't terrible with a bad Jets team. I agree that recent Bama QBs haven't been very good in the NFL. Jury still out on Tua.

You missed Steve Bartkowski and Craig Morton from Cal.

It's hard to evaluate how good individuals are at Bama because they have so much talent every year. Any where from 5 to 10 1st and 2nd rounders each year.

Yeah I wasn't going back 50+ years to list players from an era that is irrelevant to the current state of the game. I think my point was pretty clear, that players should be evaluated independently of recent program history at the position.


Each prospect should be looked at individually and judged on their own merits and not "well x and y failed to succeed at the NFL level so clearly anyone playing the same position from Program z should be disqualified from consideration."

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Yeah I wasn't going back 50+ years to list players from an era that is irrelevant to the current state of the game. I think my point was pretty clear, that players should be evaluated independently of recent program history at the position.

Each prospect should be looked at individually and judged on their own merits and not "well x and y failed to succeed at the NFL level so clearly anyone playing the same position from Program z should be disqualified from consideration."

I get what you're saying. Bottom line is quality can come from anywhere, even FCS. Lot's of good players get overlooked by the big schools because they weren't fully developed in high school. Herbert was only a 3 star QB in high school and nobody expected him to end up as good as he's playing now with LA. At the same time you can't go to a school like Stanford that's turned out Brodie, Elway, Plunkett and Luck and think that any QB from there will be good.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

None of the QBs you list from other teams really lit it up. They were career backups or mediocre for the most part. On the other hand, Alabama had 3 QBs that were stars in the NFL. Bart Starr, Joe Namath and Ken Stabler. Even Richard Todd wasn't terrible with a bad Jets team. I agree that recent Bama QBs haven't been very good in the NFL. Jury still out on Tua.

You missed Steve Bartkowski and Craig Morton from Cal.

It's hard to evaluate how good individuals are at Bama because they have so much talent every year. Any where from 5 to 10 1st and 2nd rounders each year.

Yeah I wasn't going back 50+ years to list players from an era that is irrelevant to the current state of the game. I think my point was pretty clear, that players should be evaluated independently of recent program history at the position.


Each prospect should be looked at individually and judged on their own merits and not "well x and y failed to succeed at the NFL level so clearly anyone playing the same position from Program z should be disqualified from consideration."

How dare you. Drafting is easy. You need an O linemen you draft a kid outta Wisconsin. TE you go to Iowa. Edge Rusher Ohio State. CB LSU. I swear y'all in here trying to hard I got this figured out.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
How dare you. Drafting is easy. You need an O linemen you draft a kid outta Wisconsin. TE you go to Iowa. Edge Rusher Ohio State. CB LSU. I swear y'all in here trying to hard I got this figured out.

Wouldn't it be nice if it was really that easy. No more busts. Just one great player after another.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I was referring to the list and your response was in the bracket. The list is what I commented on not your response.

Thanks for the clarification. My fedora-wearing internet-warrior-trained reflex is to assume the most recent post in the quote chain is the one being responded to.

Watching Mac Jones move around after watching Zach Wilson makes me want to vomit.