Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
When did I say he was going to be elite? If I posted that show me because I'm pretty certain I never said that.

My argument has always been that he is not trash like others posters have already concluded. So, they waste time minimizing his accomplishments. I have always argued that there are things that he does well at QB that would help him at the next level. So far, he's showing the same abilities he showed at Alabama. My guess, Belichick is pleased with that, considering his tape in Alabama is what helped him drafted in the 1st.

like I said to the other poster, I guess we'll find out.

Who said he would be garbage? Most said he will be fine but his ceiling is lower.

As for the elite part, with few exceptions, its just really tough to win without one. You have to be great everywhere else and stay healthy. As always, we will see what happens

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
He has a good enough arm. Brady never had a rocket either. Burrow doesn't have a rocket either. Same with Rivers. He can throw it deep, medium, short, and that's good enough. People make it sound like he's Shaun Hill for some reason. Jimmy can't throw a deep ball yet he's still decent enough. You don't need to have a great arm to have success in this league.

Every QB who has ever played in the nfl had a "good enough" arm. The reason these players with lesser arms don't find elite status is because defenses are extremely good at taking away things within your physical abilities and they force you to do things which require an elite arm or elite athleticism or both.

Now Mac seems like a smart dude, played in big games and succeeded so I do feel he will have a degree of success in the nfl but I haven't seen anything more than him topping out at a top 15-20 QB (ala Jim G).

he can't throw deep cause of his lack of arm strength. those passes have thrown short/long or without enough velocity. ppl blaming his WRs yet criticizing Trey when every WR outside Sherfield dropped balls thrown by him.

kid looks like a backup qb that excels at screen passes, another bama bust at QB. hope he starts so we can watch him fail!

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
he can't throw deep cause of his lack of arm strength. those passes have thrown short/long or without enough velocity. ppl blaming his WRs yet criticizing Trey when every WR outside Sherfield dropped balls thrown by him.

kid looks like a backup qb that excels at screen passes, another bama bust at QB. hope he starts so we can watch him fail!

Treys drops were all like 5 yard check downs.

Jones' drops 1 would have been a 30+ yard TD. 1 a 55ish yard TD. 1 4 yard TD.

They both have had their fair share of drops for sure. Jones' drops were huge drops though.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
When did I say he was going to be elite? If I posted that show me because I'm pretty certain I never said that.

My argument has always been that he is not trash like others posters have already concluded. So, they waste time minimizing his accomplishments. I have always argued that there are things that he does well at QB that would help him at the next level. So far, he's showing the same abilities he showed at Alabama. My guess, Belichick is pleased with that, considering his tape in Alabama is what helped him drafted in the 1st.

like I said to the other poster, I guess we'll find out.

Who said he would be garbage? Most said he will be fine but his ceiling is lower.

As for the elite part, with few exceptions, its just really tough to win without one. You have to be great everywhere else and stay healthy. As always, we will see what happens

You can't be serious? This thread has been littered with It.

"another bama bust at QB. hope he starts so we can watch him fail!"

Just now. If thats not saying he's trash lol

I never said he would be elite with a cannon. I believe that he excels at other aspects of quarterbacking that may help him overcome some of his limitations.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Now Mac seems like a smart dude, played in big games and succeeded so I do feel he will have a degree of success in the nfl but I haven't seen anything more than him topping out at a top 15-20 QB (ala Jim G).

If this is what you believe, then what's the problem? Why spend time arguing that he's not elite, when no one is saying that. Everyone knows he doesn't have a cannon and can run 4.5, that's not his game. His game will be largely based on the cerebral aspects of quarterbacking. We'll see if he's able to do so. So far, arrow up.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You can't be serious? This thread has been littered with It.

"another bama bust at QB. hope he starts so we can watch him fail!"

Just now. If thats not saying he's trash lol

I never said he would be elite with a cannon. I believe that he excels at other aspects of quarterbacking that may help him overcome some of his limitations.

Yeah, I didn't mean literally no one but presenting it like the vast majority think he's a backup really isn't accurate either. You have more people on this thread stating that, because he's smart, his limitations won't matter lol (not necessarily you)

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
If this is what you believe, then what's the problem? Why spend time arguing that he's not elite, when no one is saying that. Everyone knows he doesn't have a cannon and can run 4.5, that's not his game. His game will be largely based on the cerebral aspects of quarterbacking. We'll see if he's able to do so. So far, arrow up.

No one? Keep reading pal!

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
If this is what you believe, then what's the problem? Why spend time arguing that he's not elite, when no one is saying that. Everyone knows he doesn't have a cannon and can run 4.5, that's not his game. His game will be largely based on the cerebral aspects of quarterbacking. We'll see if he's able to do so. So far, arrow up.

No one? Keep reading pal!

Someone said he's elite? I need to see that lol

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You can't be serious? This thread has been littered with It.

"another bama bust at QB. hope he starts so we can watch him fail!"

Just now. If thats not saying he's trash lol

I never said he would be elite with a cannon. I believe that he excels at other aspects of quarterbacking that may help him overcome some of his limitations.

Yeah, I didn't mean literally no one but presenting it like the vast majority think he's a backup really isn't accurate either. You have more people on this thread stating that, because he's smart, his limitations won't matter lol (not necessarily you)

It would be stupid to think arm strength doesn't matter. Just like it would be stupid to think game film preparation, accuracy, anticipation, pocket movement and manipulation, etc doesn't matter either only a strong arm and ability to run 4.5 does.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
He has a good enough arm. Brady never had a rocket either. Burrow doesn't have a rocket either. Same with Rivers. He can throw it deep, medium, short, and that's good enough. People make it sound like he's Shaun Hill for some reason. Jimmy can't throw a deep ball yet he's still decent enough. You don't need to have a great arm to have success in this league.

Every QB who has ever played in the nfl had a "good enough" arm. The reason these players with lesser arms don't find elite status is because defenses are extremely good at taking away things within your physical abilities and they force you to do things which require an elite arm or elite athleticism or both.

Now Mac seems like a smart dude, played in big games and succeeded so I do feel he will have a degree of success in the nfl but I haven't seen anything more than him topping out at a top 15-20 QB (ala Jim G).

Joe Montana, and Tom Brady. Neither had elite arms or elite physical ability, so there's that.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Someone said he's elite? I need to see that lol

Originally posted by eastie:
Joe Montana, and Tom Brady. Neither had elite arms or elite physical ability, so there's that.

Did you know Brady was a 6th round pick? Why are all these idiots wasting high picks on QB? History has shown you can find a hall of famer in the 6th

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You can't be serious? This thread has been littered with It.

"another bama bust at QB. hope he starts so we can watch him fail!"

Just now. If thats not saying he's trash lol

I never said he would be elite with a cannon. I believe that he excels at other aspects of quarterbacking that may help him overcome some of his limitations.

Yeah, I didn't mean literally no one but presenting it like the vast majority think he's a backup really isn't accurate either. You have more people on this thread stating that, because he's smart, his limitations won't matter lol (not necessarily you)

He isn't as limited as many are stating. He has adequate NFL arm strength and mobility. It's just compared to the other 4 guys in the draft his "limitations " were exaggerated.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Apparently Jones is balling out in the joint practices they are holding this week. I'm still convinced that Lance will have the bigger impact long term because of his athleticism and big arm, but Jones is starting to impress. This could be looked upon as one of the best QB draft's in history if they all continue to develop.

Just leaving Pats/Giants joint practice, big takeaway for me—Mac Jones took a LOT more reps in 11-on-11 than Cam Newton. Some good. Some bad.

Yesterday, he was nails. Difference today? The Giants pressured him, which made him look more like a rookie.

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) August 26, 2021

so take away a clean pocket and the results aren't as great

Who could have ever predicted that based on his college tape?

Or any QB in the history of football.

Pass protection. It matters. Still waiting for athleticism to transcend an OL.

Originally posted by WINiner:
I always thought that Mac Jones is a starter in the NFL, but I also think he is close, very close, to his ceiling which is going to be steady eddie Alex Smith like QB, which you can absolutely win with.

Good post but I never understood this angle unless it only comes from one bucket: athleticism.

Because the other 95% that is required for being a successful QB at the NFL level, one never stops growing and developing or reaching his ceiling. Not even Brady at age 45. So these kinds of blanket statements, I never fully understood.

And even athletic QB's, this is their ceiling too usually...they aren't going to get too much stronger, faster, more nimble, more shifty, etc. than they are already at 20 years old and if so, that ceiling isn't going to be too much higher as that may inhibit their ability as a QB. Training staff aren't going to allow that.