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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Everyone here knew or should have known Jones was the most pro-ready of these guys. This is irrelevant to Trey Lance, who STILL has a dramatically higher ceiling, and isn't looking bad at all. Three TD passes and a rushing TD. How many does Jones have again?

Isn't looking bad? Dunno man! One play Trey has looked the worst of the 5 rooks. I will say he has looked better than Monds and Trask though,

His highs have been higher than any of them, and he has half of their experience — at best. He is far more moldable than the others, which is why this panic s**t is so stupid. Remember Alex Smith as a rookie? THAT is what a bust looks like.
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
They won't admit it but people simply didn't like Mac because he was immobile. I can admit he was 3rd on my list due to it. If you actually watched him he has all the tools needed to be a good to great QB. Football IQ, a good arm, the ability to throw receivers open(he gets no credit for this, Trey is good at this as well), and fantastic pocket awareness.

And the "ceiling" argument is terrible. How could you possibly know a rookies ceiling? Mac absolutely destroyed SEC talent having one of the greatest seasons ever. What exactly lowers his ceiling besides...he's not mobile, even though pocket passers are Superbowl winners a vast vast majority of the time.

Pedestrian arm strength.
This guy get an exception to Canton? Gold jacket, 42" waist and chest.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Feels like Josh Rosen vs. Josh Allen in 2018 all over again.

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Allen and Rosen are from California and Mac and Lance are not. What a wack comparison.

LOL

It's a lazy comparison, that is all. Just like Trey is baby Kap.

LMAOL... I was actually comparing the situation not the players. Rosen was drafted after Allen in the 1st round got the starting gig in his rookie year and some people lost their minds and crowned him the next great QB after preseason, Allen didn't get the starting gig, sat and learned playing sparingly for the most part. Fast forward a couple of years now, who's the better player now? I like Mac at 12 but damn some of you already giving him the gold jacket after...wait for it.....PRESEASON...
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Everyone here knew or should have known Jones was the most pro-ready of these guys. This is irrelevant to Trey Lance, who STILL has a dramatically higher ceiling, and isn't looking bad at all. Three TD passes and a rushing TD. How many does Jones have again?

Isn't looking bad? Dunno man! One play Trey has looked the worst of the 5 rooks. I will say he has looked better than Monds and Trask though,

His highs have been higher than any of them, and he has half of their experience — at best. He is far more moldable than the others, which is why this panic s**t is so stupid. Remember Alex Smith as a rookie? THAT is what a bust looks like.

His lows have been lower than any of them. There have been half as many highs as there have been lows - at best. I don't think he himself is moldable. You can mold your offense around him more than others. Unfortunately, if he doesn't progress on the more important aspects of the QB position we may have to.

His play in preseason reminds me of my golf game. Spray balls all over the course then I hit that one good shot then think I got things figured out and want to play another 9. Then I'm back to spraying balls all over the course.

As for the experience portion of your post. We were reminded he started as many games as Mac. We were told he was the best fit because he played in a pro style offense. While also running the same concepts as Kyle's offense.

I don't think one play Trey is a bust. I think he can be a good QB once he has the more important QB TRAITS like the ones Mac has. The question is will he ever develop the ELITE traits Mac has.

If not, one play Trey will be Kaepernick 2.0
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Everyone here knew or should have known Jones was the most pro-ready of these guys. This is irrelevant to Trey Lance, who STILL has a dramatically higher ceiling, and isn't looking bad at all. Three TD passes and a rushing TD. How many does Jones have again?

Isn't looking bad? Dunno man! One play Trey has looked the worst of the 5 rooks. I will say he has looked better than Monds and Trask though,

His highs have been higher than any of them, and he has half of their experience — at best. He is far more moldable than the others, which is why this panic s**t is so stupid. Remember Alex Smith as a rookie? THAT is what a bust looks like.

His lows have been lower than any of them. There have been half as many highs as there have been lows - at best. I don't think he himself is moldable. You can mold your offense around him more than others. Unfortunately, if he doesn't progress on the more important aspects of the QB position we may have to.

His play in preseason reminds me of my golf game. Spray balls all over the course then I hit that one good shot then think I got things figured out and want to play another 9. Then I'm back to spraying balls all over the course.

As for the experience portion of your post. We were reminded he started as many games as Mac. We were told he was the best fit because he played in a pro style offense. While also running the same concepts as Kyle's offense.

I don't think one play Trey is a bust. I think he can be a good QB once he has the more important QB TRAITS like the ones Mac has. The question is will he ever develop the ELITE traits Mac has.

If not, one play Trey will be Kaepernick 2.0

He's ALREADY been molded from what he was. Have you even been paying attention?

Look at 4:35 here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wkr2TdGWEY&t=275s

And comparing experience to Jones is absolutely ASININE because it ignores the fact that Trey has thrown significantly fewer PASSES. Including college and ALL of his high school career he has thrown barely more passes than Jones did just last year.

And lastly, "what we are told" is irrelevant. What Trey had experience in was the play-action passing game — the single easiest thing QBs do besides handing the ball off. What he DIDN'T have much experience in is standard progression pocket passing, which he was not particularly good at, and which he has CLEARLY improved, thus undermining your claim that he isn't moldable.

In fact, within TWO GAMES he has gotten better at seeing the quick game and pulling the trigger. What games are you even watching? Probably Patriot games…
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Sep 1, 2021 at 5:33 AM ]
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Everyone here knew or should have known Jones was the most pro-ready of these guys. This is irrelevant to Trey Lance, who STILL has a dramatically higher ceiling, and isn't looking bad at all. Three TD passes and a rushing TD. How many does Jones have again?

Isn't looking bad? Dunno man! One play Trey has looked the worst of the 5 rooks. I will say he has looked better than Monds and Trask though,

His highs have been higher than any of them, and he has half of their experience — at best. He is far more moldable than the others, which is why this panic s**t is so stupid. Remember Alex Smith as a rookie? THAT is what a bust looks like.

His lows have been lower than any of them. There have been half as many highs as there have been lows - at best. I don't think he himself is moldable. You can mold your offense around him more than others. Unfortunately, if he doesn't progress on the more important aspects of the QB position we may have to.

His play in preseason reminds me of my golf game. Spray balls all over the course then I hit that one good shot then think I got things figured out and want to play another 9. Then I'm back to spraying balls all over the course.

As for the experience portion of your post. We were reminded he started as many games as Mac. We were told he was the best fit because he played in a pro style offense. While also running the same concepts as Kyle's offense.

I don't think one play Trey is a bust. I think he can be a good QB once he has the more important QB TRAITS like the ones Mac has. The question is will he ever develop the ELITE traits Mac has.

If not, one play Trey will be Kaepernick 2.0

He's ALREADY been molded from what he was. Have you even been paying attention?

Look at 4:35 here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wkr2TdGWEY&t=275s

And comparing experience to Jones is absolutely ASININE because it ignores the fact that Trey has thrown significantly fewer PASSES. Including college and ALL of his high school career he has thrown barely more passes than Jones did just last year.

And lastly, "what we are told" is irrelevant. What Trey had experience in was the play-action passing game — the single easiest thing QBs do besides handing the ball off. What he DIDN'T have much experience in is standard progression pocket passing, which he was not particularly good at, and which he has CLEARLY improved, thus undermining your claim that he isn't moldable.

In fact, within TWO GAMES he has gotten better at seeing the quick game and pulling the trigger. What games are you even watching? Probably Patriot games…

Some of these guys should just be Patriot fans already, creaming their jeans over Mac Jones and his already legendary preseason games. Lol. Pretty pathetic that our guy can't take a real NFL snap and he's already Kap. Really?
[ Edited by Rathof44 on Sep 1, 2021 at 8:55 AM ]
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Originally posted by JoseCortez:
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4823674/the-point-when-mac-jones-emerged-as-the-new-england-patriots-no-1-qb

The turning point that truly tilted things in Jones' favor was when he took over for three practices last week as Newton was absent for a COVID-19 protocol "misunderstanding."

Players responded to the 2020 Heisman Trophy finalist. The offense under Jones looked Patriot-like, with empty formations, tempo and alterations at the line of scrimmage that were commonplace when former quarterback Tom Brady was at the controls. And in a bit of irony, the transition to Jones was in some ways similar to what unfolded in 2001 when Brady seized the job from Drew Bledsoe.


Yah lets wait till Mac Jones plays in the regular season before comparing paths to Tom Brady.
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Originally posted by Rathof44:
Some of these guys should just be Patriot fans already, creaming their jeans over Mac Jones and his already legendary preseason games. Lol. Pretty pathetic our guy can't take a real NFL snap and he's already Kap. Really?

I don't see Kaepernick at all in Trey Lance, horrible comparison. I compare Trey Lance more to Josh Allen and Deshaun Watson. If anything Kellen Mond is Kaepernick 2.0 almost identical.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Some of these guys should just be Patriot fans already, creaming their jeans over Mac Jones and his already legendary preseason games. Lol. Pretty pathetic our guy can't take a real NFL snap and he's already Kap. Really?

I don't see Kaepernick at all in Trey Lance, horrible comparison. I compare Trey Lance more to Josh Allen and Deshaun Watson. If anything Kellen Mond is Kaepernick 2.0 almost identical.

100% agree.
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Everyone here knew or should have known Jones was the most pro-ready of these guys. This is irrelevant to Trey Lance, who STILL has a dramatically higher ceiling, and isn't looking bad at all. Three TD passes and a rushing TD. How many does Jones have again?

Isn't looking bad? Dunno man! One play Trey has looked the worst of the 5 rooks. I will say he has looked better than Monds and Trask though,

His highs have been higher than any of them, and he has half of their experience — at best. He is far more moldable than the others, which is why this panic s**t is so stupid. Remember Alex Smith as a rookie? THAT is what a bust looks like.

His lows have been lower than any of them. There have been half as many highs as there have been lows - at best. I don't think he himself is moldable. You can mold your offense around him more than others. Unfortunately, if he doesn't progress on the more important aspects of the QB position we may have to.

His play in preseason reminds me of my golf game. Spray balls all over the course then I hit that one good shot then think I got things figured out and want to play another 9. Then I'm back to spraying balls all over the course.

As for the experience portion of your post. We were reminded he started as many games as Mac. We were told he was the best fit because he played in a pro style offense. While also running the same concepts as Kyle's offense.

I don't think one play Trey is a bust. I think he can be a good QB once he has the more important QB TRAITS like the ones Mac has. The question is will he ever develop the ELITE traits Mac has.

If not, one play Trey will be Kaepernick 2.0

He's ALREADY been molded from what he was. Have you even been paying attention?

Look at 4:35 here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wkr2TdGWEY&t=275s

And comparing experience to Jones is absolutely ASININE because it ignores the fact that Trey has thrown significantly fewer PASSES. Including college and ALL of his high school career he has thrown barely more passes than Jones did just last year.

And lastly, "what we are told" is irrelevant. What Trey had experience in was the play-action passing game — the single easiest thing QBs do besides handing the ball off. What he DIDN'T have much experience in is standard progression pocket passing, which he was not particularly good at, and which he has CLEARLY improved, thus undermining your claim that he isn't moldable.

In fact, within TWO GAMES he has gotten better at seeing the quick game and pulling the trigger. What games are you even watching? Probably Patriot games…

Some of these guys should just be Patriot fans already, creaming their jeans over Mac Jones and his already legendary preseason games. Lol. Pretty pathetic that our guy can't take a real NFL snap and he's already Kap. Really?

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I don't see Kaepernick at all in Trey Lance, horrible comparison. I compare Trey Lance more to Josh Allen and Deshaun Watson. If anything Kellen Mond is Kaepernick 2.0 almost identical.

Trey could spend the rest of his career working on mechanics, and he'll likely never have them as good as Watson. Watson is a lot more slippery than Trey, and their builds are nothing alike. I don't get this comparison at all.

Watson's mechanics are 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[ Edited by Heroism on Sep 1, 2021 at 9:19 AM ]
I'm not surprised at all Mac Jones took the starting job from Cam. Cam was horrible last year. People blame it bc Covid shorten offseason and he didnt get a chance to practice but hell Jimmy G came in here and was winning games in 3 weeks when he got traded to the 49ers. Cam isnt what he use to be.

I think Mac Jones will be a great QB. I think the QBs picked before him, Fields and Lance will be even better. Only time will tell.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I don't see Kaepernick at all in Trey Lance, horrible comparison. I compare Trey Lance more to Josh Allen and Deshaun Watson. If anything Kellen Mond is Kaepernick 2.0 almost identical.

Trey could spend the rest of his career working on mechanics, and he'll likely never have them as good as Watson. Watson is a lot more slippery than Trey, and their builds are nothing alike. I don't get this comparison at all.

Watson's mechanics are 🔥🔥🔥🔥


Yeah Watson isn't so good a comparison. He doesn't have the same arm as Trey anyway. Allen is probably far and away the best comp.
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