Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by krizay:
I think it's because you are using one play to say he can't do something when in other plays he clearly showed that he can. I think even his defenders admit that he doesn't have top flight arm strength. Your comments "He couldn't get it there vs an NFL secondary player." seem to suggest that he has no arm strength. That is what we are debating.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by krizay:
I think it's because you are using one play to say he can't do something when in other plays he clearly showed that he can. I think even his defenders admit that he doesn't have top flight arm strength. Your comments "He couldn't get it there vs an NFL secondary player." seem to suggest that he has no arm strength. That is what we are debating.

All of those plays were different. Literally every QB can "get the ball there" in the right circumstances. I'm just using that one play because it's on film in the nfl & it was on film in college. It doesn't make him a bad QB, it just means he doesn't have a great arm.

If we all agree with that I'm not sure why anyone was upset with the video/opinion??

Originally posted by frenchmov:
All of those plays were different. Literally every QB can "get the ball there" in the right circumstances. I'm just using that one play because it's on film in the nfl & it was on film in college. It doesn't make him a bad QB, it just means he doesn't have a great arm.

If we all agree with that I'm not sure why anyone was upset with the video/opinion??

Originally posted by evil:
IMO this entire exchange reads like you are the one who seems to be upset that others think that maybe the DB just made a good play instead of agreeing with your opinion on the matter.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by evil:
IMO this entire exchange reads like you are the one who seems to be upset that others think that maybe the DB just made a good play instead of agreeing with your opinion on the matter.

All I did was post a vid without comment relating to Mac, and then started the weird bu bu bu buts

To be fair, you can prob get on the WR's ass for not playing this ball aggressively in the air. Not all on Mac and the incompletion is probably more good coverage than anything.

Originally posted by evil:
And the guy who posted the vid responded to his own post stating this :

To be fair, you can prob get on the WR's ass for not playing this ball aggressively in the air. Not all on Mac and the incompletion is probably more good coverage than anything.

Sometimes you have to tip your cap to the defender for a good play.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by dj43:
That first throw was well-placed, the DB made a good play on the ball. A very good receiver might have done a better job shielding the DB, however, that first tweet is clearly an attempt down-rate Jones for not having a "strong arm." Jones then goes on to show he does have a strong arm as proven in the following tweets. Scroll on down that tweet and see other throws where Jones put NFL heat on the ball.

If he had a better arm the DB wouldn't have gotten there in time. That was the entire point of the video....

Did you watch the three videos below that one? In the first one he was throwing with touch to allow the receiver to run under it. In the succeeding vids he threw ropes.

Then his pass selection was the mistake on that play. Should have thrown it with more velocity.

...or just a good play by the DB.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by evil:
And the guy who posted the vid responded to his own post stating this :

To be fair, you can prob get on the WR's ass for not playing this ball aggressively in the air. Not all on Mac and the incompletion is probably more good coverage than anything.

Sometimes you have to tip your cap to the defender for a good play.

As I said, good CBs are all throughout the league. Obviously the cb made a good play as well or he wouldn't be there. It wasn't an incompletion by much, so wouldn't you agree that a QB with a better arm gets the ball in there? The difference between a completion and incompletion in the nfl isn't always drastic.

It's ok to say a QB with a better arm gets the ball there. It doesn't mean you're saying Mac is junk

Originally posted by dj43:
This is a chicken/egg discussion based on a single play at the top of a tweet list that also showed Jones throwing with very good velocity into rather tight windows. The preponderance of evidence leads to only two conclusions: 1. DB made a good play. 2. Jones chose to put "touch" on the ball instead of the velocity of other throws. In all three cases, Jones threw an NFL-quality pass. It wasn't a lack of arm strength on that single pass. Mahomes throws passes with touch that are defensed by good defenders as well.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Those aren't the only options though. Option 3 is he doesn't have the arm to get it there in that scenario. The scenario bring he can't step into the throw with good mechanics. He doesn't have that type of arm. That type of arm is what separates elite QBs from good QBs. That is why mahomes is extremely hard to defend: even if you get him off hit spot and he has to just depend on the strength of his arm, it gets there.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by dj43:
This is a chicken/egg discussion based on a single play at the top of a tweet list that also showed Jones throwing with very good velocity into rather tight windows. The preponderance of evidence leads to only two conclusions: 1. DB made a good play. 2. Jones chose to put "touch" on the ball instead of the velocity of other throws. In all three cases, Jones threw an NFL-quality pass. It wasn't a lack of arm strength on that single pass. Mahomes throws passes with touch that are defensed by good defenders as well.

Those aren't the only options though. Option 3 is he doesn't have the arm to get it there in that scenario. The scenario bring he can't step into the throw with good mechanics. He doesn't have that type of arm. That type of arm is what separates elite QBs from good QBs. That is why mahomes is extremely hard to defend: even if you get him off hit spot and he has to just depend on the strength of his arm, it gets there.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Those aren't the only options though. Option 3 is he doesn't have the arm to get it there in that scenario. The scenario bring he can't step into the throw with good mechanics. He doesn't have that type of arm. That type of arm is what separates elite QBs from good QBs. That is why mahomes is extremely hard to defend: even if you get him off hit spot and he has to just depend on the strength of his arm, it gets there.

Originally posted by evil:
The entire point you are making assumes he couldn't have thrown it with more velocity. You are literally guessing that he couldn't have put more zip on that ball but cannot prove it.

What we can see in the video is the defender had good coverage and makes a good play.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by evil:
The entire point you are making assumes he couldn't have thrown it with more velocity. You are literally guessing that he couldn't have put more zip on that ball but cannot prove it.

What we can see in the video is the defender had good coverage and makes a good play.

But we also have evidence of this in college. So I'm adding those things up. If a player had a physical deficiency throwing in college it's unlikely to get better in the pros. Guess we shall see!

I look forward to every possible future Mac criticism being defended with a variety of excuses!