Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by random49er:
Saying stuff like the air yards are improving is the true mental road block. You don't work to improve air yards.
You don't think all QBs work to become more effective? Adapt to new offenses? Become more comfortable to get the ball out on deeper progressions? Take less dump offs as they become familiar with their teammates and the speed of the NFL?
You don't think there is a period of adapting for rookie QBs?
Working to become more effective does not = working to improve air yards. Let's not bait and switch.
If a specific game plan calls for taking advantage of short stuff early and running the ball the rest of the game as the recipe,...then air yards probably wont be great that particular day, that's what it is.
But again, that's certainly not going to be the gameplan for all 16-17 games, and you want to show teams that your offense can be multiple. Harder to gameplan against. This includes dump offs,...you're able to have more large gains on them if the defense feels the need to lay off and worry about other things you've shown on film.
It's not an improving/regressing concept,...look @ Fields. What does it say on that chart, 8 AY/C? That's #1 on the list shown on the last page in the category. Does that mean he's like a Top 3 QB in the league and has arrived? NO.
The thought process would be out of whack with the detail (AY/C) making the argument (he's playing great), when really it should be heading in reverse of this,... with the argument (he's playing great) being supported by the detail (AY/C).
But of course, no one would be making such an outlandish argument anyway as if he's contending for MVP or something, so it'd never come up and his high AY/C has no real relevance to the possible argument. Combine the AY/C with other stats like total yardage (1300 or so) any idea of Fields being an MVP candidate is scrapped and you're on to the next idea. Isolated, Cant be stressed enough to combine stats like these with other stuff and stop trying to isolate them and overexaggerate their meaning.
This should be really, really simple,...but for some reason it's made to be hard on this forum.
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Sidenote: If you want the most meaningful QB stat that's isolated, it's pretty easy for me to argue that it's Total TDs for the season. Dan Marino's mark of 48 in a single season was pretty nuts,...especially with how different the game was back then.
Not only that, but the person's record Marino shattered (George Blanda, 36 TDs), and the ones that have broken/surpassed Marino's mark (Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes) all have MVP trophies in those years where those marks were set.
If you are absolutely hellbent on needing 1 number to measure QB performance, this one would be it. Needless to say, no one is giving out postseason trophies for air yards.
i think we agree on this.
my only reservation was pigeon holing a rookie as he is becoming accustom to an offense, and how familiarity was shifting his throws from dump offs to an actual progression of targets. IE depth of throws was becoming more NFL average.
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