Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by jcs:
If his punter didn't give up a TD he probably wins this game with wentz only completing 5 passes for 57 yards.

We all know that special teams errors that put 7 on the board go on the QB stat sheet as a pick-6.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Mac Jones just throws INTs and loses games.

So when NE played a legit team (not in a wind storm), doesn't get an early lead based off running the ball and have to play from behind….Jones can't bail them out with his elite arm talent?

Weird it's like some of us were saying that. Kid has played about how I thought he would in NE.

You mean like how he constantly puts his team in position to win (even with mistakes) as a rookie but they lose because his teammates fumble in the RZ, can't tackle, have key penalties, etc.

It's almost like QB's actually can't transcend every problem on a team in a team sport. This sounds a lot like another thread.

#QBBlinders

He threw 2 picks

Originally posted by random49er:
He spoke about the run game and the defense. I think that's seeing things "beyond a QB." You're just kinda avoiding it.

Nope. He said they had to be the factor in the QB winning. Not separate aspects, but the REASON FOR the QB's success. That's not seeing "beyond the QB."

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by random49er:
He spoke about the run game and the defense. I think that's seeing things "beyond a QB." You're just kinda avoiding it.

As he likes to say...narratives and QBscuses or something like that.

However, I do think Mac Jones does deserve some respect (not that NY or others haven't necessarily given it to him). I don't think it's ground breaking to say he's better than Trey RIGHT NOW (also should be obvious and already known) and for what it's worth, I'd like him more than Jimmy G if it wasn't for the extremely punchable face. He doesnt have Jimmy's elite release, but he does have better accuracy, particularly on the deep ball. A lot of the same shortcomings, but on a rookie deal with room for improvement.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Mac Jones just throws INTs and loses games.

So when NE played a legit team (not in a wind storm), doesn't get an early lead based off running the ball and have to play from behind….Jones can't bail them out with his elite arm talent?

Weird it's like some of us were saying that. Kid has played about how I thought he would in NE.

You mean like how he constantly puts his team in position to win (even with mistakes) as a rookie but they lose because his teammates fumble in the RZ, can't tackle, have key penalties, etc.

It's almost like QB's actually can't transcend every problem on a team in a team sport. This sounds a lot like another thread.

#QBBlinders

He threw 2 picks

QB/Offense scored 17 with 2 INT's
Defense gave up 20
Special teams gave up 7

What's the point?

I feel like as 49er fans, we've seen these kinds of team losses before.

PS: It definitely wasn't a great game by the QB personally, to say the least.

Jonathan Taylor >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac

Originally posted by NCommand:
Rookie pains. Bad INT's yet he still came back and got within 3 until the defense collapsed and gave up a TD. Team game.

My point is overall, he's done that many times this year and came back to either put his team in position to win at the end and he's won and lost (when the other parts of a team game didn't hold up). That's very impressive for any QB let alone a rookie.

I understand you are incapable of seeing anything beyond a QB but I was just speaking from an overall perspective and team aspect. It's always easier to focus on an INT than a missed tackle for 7 that actually ended the game.

Came back off prevent D and INY fumbling…bravo.

yes his a rookie. Maybe people in this thread should realize that & what's really making the NE team go right now.

I understand you're incapable off being objective about the situation in NE. I've literally been saying it's their OL, D and running game that have made that team going…you like a couple others in here are too busy licking Jones' balls to see that….BUT once they lose a game where everything around him isn't perfect, here you are saying hey man look at everything else lol. It's only right when it fits your narrative can't have it both ways.

I watch their games every damn week. He's a good game manger who at the very least is good at making the correct reads….that's great in all, but in todays game you need more than that when you get put in a position like they were in the other day…that's what separates QBs.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
He threw 2 picks

One in the RZ. Horrible throw

Originally posted by jcs:
If his punter didn't give up a TD he probably wins this game with wentz only completing 5 passes for 57 yards.

If and probably are a hell of a way to make a convincing argument. Since, it did happen early in the game you have no way to determine how the game would have played out without it.

Mac got by the Bills with less yards and fewer passes. So,apparently there is no minimum amount of passing yards required to win a game.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
As he likes to say...narratives and QBscuses or something like that.

However, I do think Mac Jones does deserve some respect (not that NY or others haven't necessarily given it to him). I don't think it's ground breaking to say he's better than Trey RIGHT NOW (also should be obvious and already known) and for what it's worth, I'd like him more than Jimmy G if it wasn't for the extremely punchable face. He doesnt have Jimmy's elite release, but he does have better accuracy, particularly on the deep ball. A lot of the same shortcomings, but on a rookie deal with room for improvement.

Yes u certainly have to admire the way they pushed back in the 2nd half. I've given him his credit since his 1st several games.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Rookie pains. Bad INT's yet he still came back and got within 3 until the defense collapsed and gave up a TD. Team game.

My point is overall, he's done that many times this year and came back to either put his team in position to win at the end and he's won and lost (when the other parts of a team game didn't hold up). That's very impressive for any QB let alone a rookie.

I understand you are incapable of seeing anything beyond a QB but I was just speaking from an overall perspective and team aspect. It's always easier to focus on an INT than a missed tackle for 7 that actually ended the game.

Came back off prevent D and INY fumbling…bravo.

yes his a rookie. Maybe people in this thread should realize that & what's really making the NE team go right now.

I understand you're incapable off being objective about the situation in NE. I've literally been saying it's their OL, D and running game that have made that team going…you like a couple others in here are too busy licking Jones' balls to see that….BUT once they lose a game where everything around him isn't perfect, here you are saying hey man look at everything else lol. It's only right when it fits your narrative can't have it both ways.

I watch their games every damn week. He's a good game manger who at the very least is good at making the correct reads….that's great in all, but in todays game you need more than that when you get put in a position like they were in the other day…that's what separates QBs.

(bold) Now I know you're lying.

First Hoov and now you focusing on OL?

Hell has frozen over!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Mac Jones just throws INTs and loses games.

So when NE played a legit team (not in a wind storm), doesn't get an early lead based off running the ball and have to play from behind….Jones can't bail them out with his elite arm talent?

Weird it's like some of us were saying that. Kid has played about how I thought he would in NE.

You mean like how he constantly puts his team in position to win (even with mistakes) as a rookie but they lose because his teammates fumble in the RZ, can't tackle, have key penalties, etc.

It's almost like QB's actually can't transcend every problem on a team in a team sport. This sounds a lot like another thread.

#QBBlinders

He threw 2 picks

QB/Offense scored 17 with 2 INT's
Defense gave up 20
Special teams gave up 7

What's the point?

I feel like as 49er fans, we've seen these kinds of team losses before.

PS: It definitely wasn't a great game by the QB personally, to say the least.

My point was he wasn't the reason they were in position to steal that game . He prevented them from winning

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
My point was he wasn't the reason they were in position to steal that game . He prevented them from winning

That's fair. He put himself in that position to begin with...just thought he did enough to make up for it if not for the ST and final missed-tackle TD at the end. No biggie. It definitely wasn't his best game. LOL

I didnt watch the game but I'm assuming he had a bad day at the office. He'll bounce back. You can't keep a player like MJ10 down

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
He threw 2 picks

One in the RZ. Horrible throw

Was it worse than this one?