Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I don't care about Mac but let me spend my time in his thread telling everyone how I feel about him lmao

this thread never fails.

Peace, im out. Getting ready for tomorrow game. Hopefully, Jimmy can get carried by his Defense tomorrow as well lol

I haven't been in this thread in forever, figured I'd come in to see if the same posters are still trying so hard to defend someone just because…it's cool you can ride that McCorkle train until it goes off the tracks.

I don't care anymore, you clearly do

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Correct.

Everyone said his noodle arm wouldn't work in the NFL and yet he helped his team reach the playoffs.

Not bad for a rookie QB that shouldn't have been touched before the 4th round.

too bad his defense s**t the bed lol

Do you think gambling for him would've been worth 3 1st round picks?

Who said anything about 3 1st rounders for Mac?

Huh? Were you on the forum in March and April???

And answer the question.

It has nothing to do with what I posted. Random.

What you posted was that "Everyone said ________"

Uhhh,...no,...I simply said he's not worth 3 1st round picks. Moreover, this was the only critical question from a month b4 the draft on forward.
So then the attention turns to you in your defense of him. Did you think he was worth it or not,...and there's no sense in dodging it with your defense of him, plus the fact that everything is archived....(on Lance/Fields/Jones post-trade)

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
He might he might not. I don't know, I can see the reason for all three.

So yes, you could see the reason for us to trade up to take Mac. This was the only real point of contention. You could see the reason for him in exchange for 3 1sts,...whereas some others -- like me -- cant.

Didn't care about any of the other storylines you want to transform it into. It was all about the 49ers.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

First-round rookie QB preseason debut PFF grades

Zach Wilson: 80.3
Mac Jones: 79.5
Justin Fields: 58.7
Trevor Lawrence: 58.7
Trey Lance: 48.8

— Michael Nania (@Michael_Nania) August 15, 2021

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by jcs:
So's the rest of his team. No one came ready for this game. His excuse comes down to being a rookie the rest of the team is just laying an egg especially the D.

Agreed. This is a bad look for Belichicks defense.

I thought Mac started off good. Had some good scrambles to keep drive going and then his RB drops a wide open pass that would have gone for a big gain.

I dont put the INt on him. It was a nicely placed ball but for some reason his WR decided not to jump up for it and instead he tried to let it drop in his arms. No awareness to see the safety coming.

You have to realize very few WR have the athleticism to run full speed up field than contort their body to completely stop forward momentum, flip around, leap up, and high point the ball. A very unrealistic expectation.

I think the INT is more warranting of praise for the defender rather than blame on any Patriot player, but if blame is to be assigned, it can only be on the QB.

I'll just leave this here

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I've mentioned the same leading up to the draft. Tom Brady arm strength improved over time. No reason Macs arm can't get better with age. Mac is never going to have an arm like Mahomes or Allen, like Brady's arm wasn't ever at Rodgers level but it was more than enough.

Mac will need to compensate with anticipation, accuracy, and pre snap reads, which to date he has shown he is capable of. Manning won an MVP and broke records with a noodle arm. I'm not saying Mac is Manning, it is only to show that there are other ways to get it done than pure arm strength.

I think it it was wrong to write him off as a bust and trash simply due to arm strength. There are other aspects to QB than just arm strength and running ability. That's been my argument whole time.

And up until now Mac has shown he same qualities he has shown at Alabama even without those stellar weapons everyone credited for his success. As a matter a fact, Patriots probably have the worst supporting cast sans TEs in the NFL .

Everything can change quickly, so I won't get too ahead of myself but as of now, he is showing that he was a worth a 1st rd pick. Some poster suggested that he shouldn't be touched before he 4th rd.

Hmmm,...I wouldn't compare Manning's arm strength coming out of the draft to Mac's. As an old man after several neck surgeries? Sure,...maybe.

But most remember the old-man Manning and aren't really aware that his pure arm strength as a prospect was just fine. An exerpt (Bill Polian):

Yet, there I was, on a Sunday, watching the tape of Peyton's throws and hearing all of that "noise" in my head: "He doesn't have a strong arm ... He can't make the deep throws ..." I began to focus on every pass in his career that traveled more than 40 yards and what I found out was that, once the ball got beyond 60 yards, he started losing accuracy.

The next morning, I got Tom Moore and Bruce Arians together, and said, "I think you have a ceiling on Manning's arm at about 60 yards."

They both look at me as if I were crazy. I could see in their eyes that they were thinking, He's lost it. We're working with a guy who has lost his marbles and he's in charge of the franchise! Tom then looked up and said, dryly, "Well, then, Bill, we'll be sure not to throw any passes over 59 yards."

In late March/early April, we arranged a private workout with Peyton at Tennessee. Tom has an arm-strength drill whereby he stands the quarterback on the goal line and has a receiver facing him five yards away. The quarterback has to throw to the receiver using only his arm; he isn't allowed to step into his throw or use his feet in any way. And after each throw, the receiver moves back in 5-yard increments until he eventually reaches the 50-yard line.

By the time the receiver gets to the 50, you have a pretty good idea of whether the quarterback has a strong arm or not because he isn't putting anything else physically into his throws -- and he already has thrown nine passes that way.

Tom put Peyton through the arm-strength drill, and his pass to the 50-yard line was on a rope. Peyton's arm was among the strongest I have seen. It maybe was not quite as strong as Jim Kelly's, but certainly strong enough. Interestingly, Peyton threw what we call a "heavy ball," meaning it has a lot of rotation on it, which was quite interesting because guys with weaker arms usually don't throw a heavy ball. When you catch a heavy ball, your hands sting because it comes out with some heat on it.

Peyton had a slam-dunk workout, as good as you could have. Not that workouts are everything, but that one served as fairly solid evidence that all of the perceived negatives -- that he was a bad athlete, that he had a weak arm, etc. -- were untrue.

I know i'm wrong in this mentality ..but i just didn't and don't like mac jones.. I'm so glad we didnt draft him and i was thinking we would ..I don't think he's a bad QB,, just not our QB.. from what i was reading he was lazy and the way he carried himself off field was off putting to me. NE is the best spot for him to succeed (I wish him success )
Bill Cheatsalot will keep it simple for him and get the most out of him..but to carry the team in hard games ,,man i don't see it in him .. I made the comment back a few months ago when" teams defenses figure him and his nuances out he'll be in trouble."..I still believe that ..

It's about time to permanently delete this thread, because it isn't interesting anymore. He had a very good not great rookie season. It isn't his fault Buffalo scored 47 tonight.

Never understood the hype from reading this thread, every time I watch him he's wildly unremarkable

The amount of gas posters here give him for throwing down checkdowns lul

Originally posted by CJ75:
Never understood the hype from reading this thread, every time I watch him he's wildly unremarkable

The amount of gas posters here give him for throwing down checkdowns lul

gonna be fun looking at the box score posters saying he had a great game

Originally posted by CJ75:
Never understood the hype from reading this thread, every time I watch him he's wildly unremarkable

The amount of gas posters here give him for throwing down checkdowns lul

He has it between the ears. But he's somewhat lacking physically. For a rookie, being built like that gives you an advantage early. Doesn't help you much long term.

I just want to see if the commentators who said we'd regret taking Mac Jones still believe the same. I think the Pats will be fine longterm, but we saw what we saw. Going to be interesting to see all of the rookie QBs in year 2, particularly Jones, Lance, and Fields because they went to the better teams.

Originally posted by pdfortune:
It's about time to permanently delete this thread, because it isn't interesting anymore. He had a very good not great rookie season. It isn't his fault Buffalo scored 47 tonight.

Its not but did he have a hand in scoring 3 points midway through the 3rd Q? Is the expectation of the pats D that the offense will put up 3 points in 40 mins and saying hey hold the bills to 10 or less too please?

It's definitely a team loss don't get me wrong but 3 points is pretty terrible

Maybe in a few years when trey and Mac have a sample size that warrants comparison of "who should have been picked" can this thread have any meaning…end of the day, Mac has had a good start to his career, good luck to him…he's not a 49er and that reality isn't going to change anytime soon

This game wasn't about Mac Jones and why we couldn't trade 3 1st RD picks to draft him. It was looking at the other side and watching Allen and seing why we had to draft Trey. When you trade that much capital you need to draft a guy who has elite athletic ability. Mac Jones if he pans out is never going to be able to do what Josh Allen did tonight. Now it remains to be seen if Trey does but atleast the physical ability is there. It took Allen 3 years but he got there. If Trey can pan out like that, I am willing to be patient.