Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Someone seems upset

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Someone seems upset

Im not actually. Was upset by Gore thinking he knows WTF he was talking about as it relates to me, Jimmy and "whatever kind of fans"

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Someone seems upset

Im not actually. Was upset by Gore thinking he knows WTF he was talking about as it relates to me, Jimmy and "whatever kind of fans"

Originally posted by krizay:
#1 so we are allowed to use games versus Texans, Jags and Jets now?

#2 so 1 play huh? You see that 16 run Mac Jones had on Saturday? Does that make him a dual threat QB?

#3 for all the talk of Mac only scoring 3 points in 1st half versus the #1 ranked defense on the road in the playoffs do you remember how the offense looked at home versus the Texans?

If you say a guy can't do something and in a limited sample size he has shown the ability it makes your comparison pretty awful.

If Mac ran that 16 yards by outrunning dbs to the corner or something like that you'd have a better argument.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The out route to Jennings against Houston was thrown with timing before Jennings even broke. Just categorically false.

#1 so we are allowed to use games versus Texans, Jags and Jets now?

#2 so 1 play huh? You see that 16 run Mac Jones had on Saturday? Does that make him a dual threat QB?

#3 for all the talk of Mac only scoring 3 points in 1st half versus the #1 ranked defense on the road in the playoffs do you remember how the offense looked at home versus the Texans?

Mac Jones has been starting all year. Trey Lance has 2 starts months apart. How are you comparing the two? lol Also - Mac Jones was supposedly the most pro-ready QB and Trey Lance was a 2 year project according to most of the Mac Jones fanboys.

And fwiw - Trey Lance looked ready to play if needed this season. Ppl who said he needs to sit the whole year or maybe 2 years were completely off. Trey Lance without getting much reps with the first team all summer and during the season had better first 2 games of his career than any other rook drafted in the 1st round.

...and you comparison to Kap is completely absurd. That's why ppl laughing at you. Other than him being black, 6'4, and having a big arm - there is not much he has common with Kap. You wanna be so right about Mac that you're willing to trash Lance - when he has actually played better than what most ppl thought he was capable of in year 1. Filling in for an injured QB is never easy for any QB let alone a rookie QB who was supposedly a 2 year project. He had to come in during a random week in Oct and another week in December in a must win game.

Your hot takes are just that. You're trying to get a reaction from ppl bc Mac Jones stunk up for last several weeks and looked limited and average at best.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

For the record I'm not rooting against Trey. Accuracy is my #1 criteria when it comes to QBs. Not the physical traits. I'm of the belief that you either have Accuracy or you don't. Whether that's right, wrong or indifferent that is how I feel.

I don't believe Trey has that Accuracy. Though I conceded that he does appear to show it when he throws in rhythm. His off platform, off script stuff does nothing for me.

That's where I'm at with Trey, where I was with Kaep, where I was with Josh Allen. Last year Josh Allen appeared to turn the corner in that regard. This year he seemed to be right back to his 1st 2-3 years.

Originally posted by krizay:
For the record I'm not rooting against Trey. Accuracy is my #1 criteria when it comes to QBs. Not the physical traits. I'm of the belief that you either have Accuracy or you don't. Whether that's right, wrong or indifferent that is how I feel.

I don't believe Trey has that Accuracy. Though I conceded that he does appear to show it when he throws in rhythm. His off platform, off script stuff does nothing for me.

That's where I'm at with Trey, where I was with Kaep, where I was with Josh Allen. Last year Josh Allen appeared to turn the corner in that regard. This year he seemed to be right back to his 1st 2-3 years.

...and what's the reason that a player can not improve their accuracy bc a LOT of QBs have improved their accuracy with more playing time.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The out route to Jennings against Houston was thrown with timing before Jennings even broke. Just categorically false.

#1 so we are allowed to use games versus Texans, Jags and Jets now?

#2 so 1 play huh? You see that 16 run Mac Jones had on Saturday? Does that make him a dual threat QB?

#3 for all the talk of Mac only scoring 3 points in 1st half versus the #1 ranked defense on the road in the playoffs do you remember how the offense looked at home versus the Texans?

Mac Jones has been starting all year. Trey Lance has 2 starts months apart. How are you comparing the two? lol Also - Mac Jones was supposedly the most pro-ready QB and Trey Lance was a 2 year project according to most of the Mac Jones fanboys.

And fwiw - Trey Lance looked ready to play if needed this season. Ppl who said he needs to sit the whole year or maybe 2 years were completely off. Trey Lance without getting much reps with the first team all summer and during the season had better first 2 games of his career than any other rook drafted in the 1st round. He didn't look lost out there but he didn't exactly look ready to play either

...and you comparison to Kap is completely absurd. That's why ppl laughing at you. Other than him being black, 6'4, and having a big arm - there is not much he has common with Kap. You wanna be so right about Mac that you're willing to trash Lance - when he has actually played better than what most ppl thought he was capable of in year 1. Filling in for an injured QB is never easy for any QB let alone a rookie QB who was supposedly a 2 year project. He had to come in during a random week in Oct and another week in December in a must win game. He did play better than most people thought including me. But 10 points versus ARI is that good? Put up 3 points 1st half versus Texans. 2nd half he put up 10 points thanks to defense getting ball back DEEP in HOU territory. Does that sound like familiar criticism? And 10 other points besides that. Not great right?

Your hot takes are just that. You're trying to get a reaction from ppl bc Mac Jones stunk up for last several weeks and looked limited and average at best.

Not trying to have hot takes. Again, you guys have your opinion on these QBs the same as I. What uniform he wears isn't going to distort or enhance my view.

Originally posted by 4ML:
...and what's the reason that a player can not improve their accuracy bc a LOT of QBs have improved their accuracy with more playing time.

People say a lot but Josh Allen is truly the only QB that comes to my mind and as I stated even he regressed in that department IMO

And I'm not talking completion %. I'm talking pure accuracy. Like Ball placement

See y'all in this thread in a few months

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 4ML:
...and what's the reason that a player can not improve their accuracy bc a LOT of QBs have improved their accuracy with more playing time.

People say a lot but Josh Allen is truly the only QB that comes to my mind and as I stated even he regressed in that department IMO

And I'm not talking completion %. I'm talking pure accuracy. Like Ball placement

You don't think Drew Brees ball placement improved over the years?

…and again - why do you think one can not improve their ball placement. And of course competition % goes up as your ball placement improves. If you weren't able to complete certain passes before and after 3/4 years you can - your accuracy has gotten better. Both ball placement and completion % are tied closely together.

Originally posted by krizay:
People say a lot but Josh Allen is truly the only QB that comes to my mind and as I stated even he regressed in that department IMO

And I'm not talking completion %. I'm talking pure accuracy. Like Ball placement

That's literally not true at all. Many QBs throughout history have improved their accuracy lol.

Originally posted by krizay:
Not trying to have hot takes. Again, you guys have your opinion on these QBs the same as I. What uniform he wears isn't going to distort or enhance my view.

Mac Jones over the last month or so has proven what many of us said about him. He's at best a game manager. Looks fine when the coaching staff can control the game with the run game and defense. Looks average when those things are not going as planned.

I'm sure he will improve as all rookies who put in the work often do. But, even Mac Jones fans said that his ceiling may be limited but his floor is high and he's the most pro ready. Well - that means according to ppl who like him - that he may not improve significantly and only marginally.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by krizay:
People say a lot but Josh Allen is truly the only QB that comes to my mind and as I stated even he regressed in that department IMO

And I'm not talking completion %. I'm talking pure accuracy. Like Ball placement

That's literally not true at all. Many QBs throughout history have improved their accuracy lol.

Ya not sure what he means. Accuracy is definitely one the abilities that QBs can improve, and lot of them do. When talking about major improvements, Allen is definitely up there, but there have been others like Big Ben as well. Brady was also not where close to being so accurate early on.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by krizay:
People say a lot but Josh Allen is truly the only QB that comes to my mind and as I stated even he regressed in that department IMO

And I'm not talking completion %. I'm talking pure accuracy. Like Ball placement

That's literally not true at all. Many QBs throughout history have improved their accuracy lol.

He put that completion % doesn't prove accuracy has improved which is also silly. If you were completing 60% of your passes in the first 3-4 years of your career - and then you are completely 65% after that - of course your ball placement improved - which is leading to high %s. It's like saying - a WR can't improve his hands. If he drops the ball at a high % - then he can't improve that over the course of his career.

Andrew Luck Accuracy Stats:
First 4 years - completion % = 58% (on > 2100 attempts)
Last 2 years - completion % = 65.5% (on almost 1200 attempts)

Drew Brees Accuracy Stats:
First 7 seasons - only once he had a completion % above 65%
Last 12 seasons - only once he had below 68% of passes completed. 7 times he had over 70% of his passes completed.

I don't know how anyone can sit there and say - Brees didn't dramatically improve in several facets of his game (including accuracy and ball placement) as he spent more years with Payton.