Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by krizay:
People say a lot but Josh Allen is truly the only QB that comes to my mind and as I stated even he regressed in that department IMO

And I'm not talking completion %. I'm talking pure accuracy. Like Ball placement

That's literally not true at all. Many QBs throughout history have improved their accuracy lol.

Ya not sure what he means. Accuracy is definitely one the abilities that QBs can improve, and lot of them do. When talking about major improvements, Allen is definitely up there, but there have been others like Big Ben as well. Brady was also not where close to being so accurate early on.

If you significantly improve your understanding of the offense, the game, body angles, and understand what your receiver can and can't do and what he will and won't do - then you can obviously improve your accuracy and ball placement. It helps a lot if you have the right coaches around you who can help you with that.

Now...even if you're one who believes accuracy can't be improved - Lance started playing QB in HS. To think he can't improve his accuracy at age 21 is

mac will be a decent qb for the pats. but without an elite defense and running game, they won't ever take down the bills or chiefs

Steve Young has talked about he barely knew how to properly throw a football before coming to 49ers. Of course accuracy can be improved.

Originally posted by krizay:
For the record I'm not rooting against Trey. Accuracy is my #1 criteria when it comes to QBs. Not the physical traits. I'm of the belief that you either have Accuracy or you don't. Whether that's right, wrong or indifferent that is how I feel.

I don't believe Trey has that Accuracy. Though I conceded that he does appear to show it when he throws in rhythm. His off platform, off script stuff does nothing for me.

That's where I'm at with Trey, where I was with Kaep, where I was with Josh Allen. Last year Josh Allen appeared to turn the corner in that regard. This year he seemed to be right back to his 1st 2-3 years.

You've obviously never coached QBs before.

Should be interesting what he can do with a coach on Mt Rushmore of NFL coaches and a full offseason. I imagine they will build around him (line and playmakers). Unless Bill B just goes all out building up the D which he will probably do since that's kinda his thing.

Originally posted by krizay:
See y'all in this thread in a few months

lol good idea after that last take

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
well last night it was the strong athletic qb killing the pocket passer, it's the exact opposite today. Lot of Hurts game in Lances

AND when Jimmy beats Dak today....and Stafford beats Murray tomorrow some of these folks will realize it's the better teams that win and not because the QB is athletic

Dak down to Jimmy.

Brady
Rodgers
Garoppolo
Stafford

ol' pocket passers still hanging in there. Burrow, Mahomes, Allen look nice too.

Bye Mac, Dak, Carr, Hurts...

Kyler can't get out of the pocket. Playoffs are a different animal.

Originally posted by random49er:
You've obviously never coached QBs before.

Just like damn near everything else on this board we all have opinions.


Steve young said the exact same thing but can't find his quote

I am sure there are others

So glad Mac wasn't the pick. He's already hit his ceiling

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by random49er:
You've obviously never coached QBs before.

Just like damn near everything else on this board we all have opinions.

Improvement can be made but I've always felt when it comes to accuracy you either have it or you don't. https://t.co/Iom62RGP5R

— Troy Aikman (@TroyAikman) October 9, 2018

Steve young said the exact same thing but can't find his quote

I am sure there are others

You're not seeing the "figure of speech" in his comment? "Either you have it or you don't" is a saying. The problem is you're trying to make it literal. He admits in the quote that improvement can be made.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
well last night it was the strong athletic qb killing the pocket passer, it's the exact opposite today. Lot of Hurts game in Lances

AND when Jimmy beats Dak today....and Stafford beats Murray tomorrow some of these folks will realize it's the better teams that win and not because the QB is athletic

Dak down to Jimmy.

Here we sit Kyler getting trounced by a pocket passing Stafford.

So the better team wins again. More proof you don't need the athletic QB to win in the NFL. Despite the idiotic rhetoric that was being spewed on this board a year ago.

Originally posted by krizay:
Just like damn near everything else on this board we all have opinions.

Improvement can be made but I've always felt when it comes to accuracy you either have it or you don't. https://t.co/Iom62RGP5R

— Troy Aikman (@TroyAikman) October 9, 2018

Steve young said the exact same thing but can't find his quote

I am sure there are others

Steve wasn't accurate at any point in the 80s.

On accuracy....

What does Rodgers think of the state of his game?

He sees improvement over time.

"I think I have even a little sharper muscle memory," Rodgers said, "and able to layer the football better, I think, every year I've been in the league. When I first got into the league, it was a lot of one-speed throws. Just lasers on a line, and I think over the years I really learned how to put touch on the ball and use eye discipline and use my legs to put myself in a position to make more accurate throws."

If you've followed his career and perhaps Brady's, you'd know there's just no doubt about possible improvements. I mean look @ how old they are now,...doesn't happen by sitting around.

Originally posted by krizay:
Here we sit Kyler getting trounced by a pocket passing Stafford.

So the better team wins again. More proof you don't need the athletic QB to win in the NFL. Despite the idiotic rhetoric that was being spewed on this board a year ago.

Are you again twisting things around here? We had just seen Tom Brady win a 7th ring. Why would there be rhetoric that you need an athletic QB to win all over the board?

Or do you really mean using 3 1st round picks on a QB, given the choices available, and a guy like Mac that didn't stand out physically in any way?

p.s.,...here's Matthew Stafford's draft profile coming out:



Trying to compare him to Mac Jones in terms of athleticism is downright dishonest...lol. He's old in NFL years now and you can tell,...but dont try to box him into something he wasn't as a prospect.

Originally posted by random49er:
On accuracy....

What does Rodgers think of the state of his game?

He sees improvement over time.

"I think I have even a little sharper muscle memory," Rodgers said, "and able to layer the football better, I think, every year I've been in the league. When I first got into the league, it was a lot of one-speed throws. Just lasers on a line, and I think over the years I really learned how to put touch on the ball and use eye discipline and use my legs to put myself in a position to make more accurate throws."

If you've followed his career and perhaps Brady's, you'd know there's just no doubt about possible improvements. I mean look @ how old they are now,...doesn't happen by sitting around.

Originally posted by krizay:
Here we sit Kyler getting trounced by a pocket passing Stafford.

So the better team wins again. More proof you don't need the athletic QB to win in the NFL. Despite the idiotic rhetoric that was being spewed on this board a year ago.

Are you again twisting things around here? We had just seen Tom Brady win a 7th ring. Why would there be rhetoric that you need an athletic QB to win all over the board?

Or do you really mean using 3 1st round picks on a QB, given the choices available, and a guy like Mac that didn't stand out physically in any way?

Oh no, multiple posters on this site were adamant that you win in todays NFL with big strong fast qbs who can "play off schedule and make throws off platform". It's like they heard someone describe Mahomes and beat those phrases to death. In reality, unless you are Mike Vick, Lamar Jackson, or Josh "Paul Bunyan" Allen, you have to be elite from the the pocket to win big. You have to. Off schedule plays and off platform throws happen like 4 times a game in the postseason.

Originally posted by random49er:
On accuracy....

What does Rodgers think of the state of his game?

He sees improvement over time.

"I think I have even a little sharper muscle memory," Rodgers said, "and able to layer the football better, I think, every year I've been in the league. When I first got into the league, it was a lot of one-speed throws. Just lasers on a line, and I think over the years I really learned how to put touch on the ball and use eye discipline and use my legs to put myself in a position to make more accurate throws."

If you've followed his career and perhaps Brady's, you'd know there's just no doubt about possible improvements. I mean look @ how old they are now,...doesn't happen by sitting around.

Are you again twisting things around here? We had just seen Tom Brady win a 7th ring. Why would there be rhetoric that you need an athletic QB to win all over the board?

Or do you really mean using 3 1st round picks on a QB, given the choices available, and a guy like Mac that didn't stand out physically in any way?

I meant what I said. It was said multiple times the NFL moved on to athletic QBs. Statues like McCorkle are a thing of the past.

If Rams hold on tonight. Only 3 QBs of the 8 remaining had more rushing yards than McCorkle.

As for the accuracy thing. Not sure why we are arguing my opinion. You have yours I have mine. No need in trying to change each others opinions.

Neither of us is alone on our opinions