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Feb 7, 2022 at 1:37 PM
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Mac Jones Pro Bowl as a rookie.

.....

And he absolutely shouldnt be.

There are a plethora of QBs who had better statistics than Mac Jones but are deemed trash or replaceable QBs (in other threads).

He deserves it and made it.
Feb 7, 2022 at 1:47 PM
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
You clearly have a MUCH different definition of "mobile QB" It has nothing to do with just rushing yards and everything with being able to extend and make plays.

This is being mobile




This is being mobile


It's not JUST about being able to run for a bunch of yards, it's being athletic enough to escape pressure and have the ability to throw on the move. Even Stafford moves around to extend plays, he has elite arm strength to throw off platform and we've seen that s**t for a decade.

Our QB was awful recognizing pressure and moving around behind the LOS. He simply didn't have the arm talent to make those off platform throws. Jones has a better feel in the pocket, but overall his lack of arm talent tossed in with avg athletic abilities leads to limitations. They're both game managers and will need to be put in the right situations to have consistent success.

So then Mac Jones is mobile?

No overall he's most certainly not. Jimmy G 2.0 in that category.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Feb 7, 2022 at 1:49 PM ]
Feb 7, 2022 at 2:28 PM
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Mac Jones Pro Bowl as a rookie.

.....

And he absolutely shouldnt be.

There are a plethora of QBs who had better statistics than Mac Jones but are deemed trash or replaceable QBs (in other threads).

He deserves it and made it.

Why are you homering out for Mac Jones, SD? I can only guess based on your emojis that you are either homering out or you are trolling.

Statistically he had no business in the Pro Bowl. He wasnt voted, and who knows how many others passed before they got to him.
[ Edited by SteveWallacesHelmet on Feb 7, 2022 at 2:28 PM ]
Feb 7, 2022 at 2:32 PM
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
You clearly have a MUCH different definition of "mobile QB" It has nothing to do with just rushing yards and everything with being able to extend and make plays.

This is being mobile




This is being mobile


It's not JUST about being able to run for a bunch of yards, it's being athletic enough to escape pressure and have the ability to throw on the move. Even Stafford moves around to extend plays, he has elite arm strength to throw off platform and we've seen that s**t for a decade.

Our QB was awful recognizing pressure and moving around behind the LOS. He simply didn't have the arm talent to make those off platform throws. Jones has a better feel in the pocket, but overall his lack of arm talent tossed in with avg athletic abilities leads to limitations. They're both game managers and will need to be put in the right situations to have consistent success.

So then Mac Jones is mobile?

LOL.

There's mobile in the pocket, mobile outside the pocket, running QB's who are mobile, immobile QB's who run, mobile QB's who run for < 100 yards in 17 games, immobile mobile, mobile but less athletic (arm strength), immobile and less athletic, etc.

Mac must be elite mobile with 129 yards rushing. LOL

Oh yeah, rushing yards don't equate to mobility.
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 7, 2022 at 2:35 PM ]
Feb 7, 2022 at 2:39 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
No overall he's most certainly not. Jimmy G 2.0 in that category.

You literally just said that Burrows doing it was mobile. Herbert doing it was mobile. So how is Jones doing it not mobile?

I think NC is on to something.
[ Edited by krizay on Feb 7, 2022 at 3:19 PM ]
Feb 7, 2022 at 6:40 PM
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Exactly my point.

These guys can't even define it or bucket it accurately.

Lol but but just a few weeks ago you had Burrow in the mobile category,...in MULTIPLE posts.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Brady
Rodgers
Garoppolo
Stafford

ol' pocket passers still hanging in there. Burrow, Mahomes, Allen look nice too.

Bye Mac, Dak, Carr, Hurts.


Lol how did this narrative shift so fast? Simply because he's in the Super Bowl, right?

You're contradicting your own words, my man. It's not even really about what's going on on the field at this point, is it?

Scouting Report on Stafford coming into the draft...



So yes,...coming out of college, both Super Bowl starting QBs were certainly above average when it comes to mobility. But don't feel threatened,...lol.


I see mobility on that 1st play
Feb 7, 2022 at 6:51 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Boy the definition of mobile sure gets skewed in here. Two QB's with less than 175 yards rushing for the year are now in the athletic/mobile QB bucket. Good Lord.

Jimmy has 51 yards rushing. I guess he's mobile too now.

Jimmy just isn't Peyton Manning/Dan Marino. But he isn't mobile.
Feb 8, 2022 at 4:45 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh yeah, rushing yards don't equate to mobility.

Correct.

And this is another "switch" routine because what you were suggesting before was far more egregious: that you can't be a pocket passer if you gained over X amount of yards in season.



That amount of yards you marked could've been gained in 2 plays,.....lol,...and it has zero to do with what "pocket passer" means. That refers to where you routinely pass the ball.....hence, the terms "pocket" and "pass" being lumped together. Nothing about rushing yards gained.

And I guess the answer is yes, we're still going to pretend like you didn't refer to Burrow multiple times as a mobile QB just a few weeks ago.
[ Edited by random49er on Feb 8, 2022 at 5:00 AM ]
Feb 8, 2022 at 5:15 AM
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
No overall he's most certainly not. Jimmy G 2.0 in that category.

You literally just said that Burrows doing it was mobile. Herbert doing it was mobile. So how is Jones doing it not mobile?

I think NC is on to something.

One play doesn't make someone "mobile" I can reference a s**t load of more examples of Burrow/Herbert/Allen etc extend plays and making big boy throws on the move. McCorkle is Jimmy G 2.0.

NC's thought process of being mobile is Murray/Jackson, he brings up rushing yards and for the most part that isn't what people are talking about.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Feb 8, 2022 at 5:24 AM ]
Feb 8, 2022 at 5:21 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL.

There's mobile in the pocket, mobile outside the pocket, running QB's who are mobile, immobile QB's who run, mobile QB's who run for < 100 yards in 17 games, immobile mobile, mobile but less athletic (arm strength), immobile and less athletic, etc.

Mac must be elite mobile with 129 yards rushing. LOL

Oh yeah, rushing yards don't equate to mobility.

Tossing out one Mac play and saying see he's mobile lol. derp.

When s**t breaks down inside the pocket do YOU feel confident in him being able to escape pressure and throw off platform? Judging from his college tape and most of this yr...absolutely freaking not. and don't talk to me about a player only having to do that once or twice a game. That's simply not the truth of it anymore. No one is sitting in the pocket all game, play calling is getting QBs on the move more than ever. It's more passing (like you said) which equals more pass rush and having to move.

Mac's a human that has two legs, so thank god he can run a little....but overall he is NOT gonna win that way, which is fine but for the love of god recognize that. If s**t breaks down or a play isn't called properly, he's not gonna go out there an make something happen more often then not. Jared Goff can "run" that doesn't make him mobile. Jimmy can "run" that doesn't make him mobile. Those dudes along with McCorkle don't have the arm talent to throw on the run and make off platform throws like most of the elite QBs can do.

I mean what's the threshold stat wise to make someone "mobile" lol? It's a subjective take and some people choose to makeup what they want to help their narrative. like everything in here.

We get it you don't like mobile QBs it messes with your OL thing that you've been talking about for years. You're old school and want a pocket passing only QB....time to realize that's not really a thing anymore. The game has changed and the talent that's coming up through the pipeline are big/strong athletic QBs, that's part of the game going forward so adapt my man. The goal is finding a dude that can win multiple ways...hopefully they got that guy.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Feb 8, 2022 at 5:30 AM ]
Feb 8, 2022 at 5:45 AM
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh yeah, rushing yards don't equate to mobility.

Correct.

And this is another "switch" routine because what you were suggesting before was far more egregious: that you can't be a pocket passer if you gained over X amount of yards in season.



That amount of yards you marked could've been gained in 2 plays,.....lol,...and it has zero to do with what "pocket passer" means. That refers to where you routinely pass the ball.....hence, the terms "pocket" and "pass" being lumped together. Nothing about rushing yards gained.

And I guess the answer is yes, we're still going to pretend like you didn't refer to Burrow multiple times as a mobile QB just a few weeks ago.

Dak ran for 146 yards this yr...guess he's not mobile
Feb 8, 2022 at 6:04 AM
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh yeah, rushing yards don't equate to mobility.

Correct.

And this is another "switch" routine because what you were suggesting before was far more egregious: that you can't be a pocket passer if you gained over X amount of yards in season.



That amount of yards you marked could've been gained in 2 plays,.....lol,...and it has zero to do with what "pocket passer" means. That refers to where you routinely pass the ball.....hence, the terms "pocket" and "pass" being lumped together. Nothing about rushing yards gained.

And I guess the answer is yes, we're still going to pretend like you didn't refer to Burrow multiple times as a mobile QB just a few weeks ago.

Look, we know Mac is explosive, but he is t getting 120 plus yards in two plays. Yes, he has got the edge more times in the nfl than Lance has but let's not go too far.
And my goodness NY, have some pride. Just take the L and move on. The guys who you had multiple breakdowns in this thread about at the mere possibility of drafting, is a pro bowler year one. Let it go and move on in life. Let Mac go
Feb 8, 2022 at 6:33 AM
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Look, we know Mac is explosive, but he is t getting 120 plus yards in two plays. Yes, he has got the edge more times in the nfl than Lance has but let's not go too far.
And my goodness NY, have some pride. Just take the L and move on. The guys who you had multiple breakdowns in this thread about at the mere possibility of drafting, is a pro bowler year one. Let it go and move on in life. Let Mac go

LOL loss for what? pro-bowler after several AFC QBs said no thanks....if you think that's some great accomplishment that you want to prop up well that's just sad.

trubisky/Carr/Goff have all gone to pro-bowls lol. Dalton went to three...he's right on track with my comp of Dalton. Still needs to get 2 more, McCorkle can cross his fingers that every guy keeps saying no thanks to a pro-bowl invite. I mean the NFL needs to put someone out there lol.

and breakdown for not wanting an avg ass QB lol. please. Sorry I didn't want a slobby party guy, who runs around wearing Obama masks getting DWI's with a limited arm. Sorry it didn't work out for ya. You can always head to the NE forum
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Feb 8, 2022 at 6:36 AM ]
Feb 8, 2022 at 7:07 AM
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh yeah, rushing yards don't equate to mobility.

Correct.

And this is another "switch" routine because what you were suggesting before was far more egregious: that you can't be a pocket passer if you gained over X amount of yards in season.



That amount of yards you marked could've been gained in 2 plays,.....lol,...and it has zero to do with what "pocket passer" means. That refers to where you routinely pass the ball.....hence, the terms "pocket" and "pass" being lumped together. Nothing about rushing yards gained.

And I guess the answer is yes, we're still going to pretend like you didn't refer to Burrow multiple times as a mobile QB just a few weeks ago.

Look, we know Mac is explosive, but he is t getting 120 plus yards in two plays. Yes, he has got the edge more times in the nfl than Lance has but let's not go too far.
And my goodness NY, have some pride. Just take the L and move on. The guys who you had multiple breakdowns in this thread about at the mere possibility of drafting, is a pro bowler year one. Let it go and move on in life. Let Mac go

This is definitely up there with some of your other very dumb posts. Keep that Alabama tradition going
Feb 8, 2022 at 7:15 AM
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
This is definitely up there with some of your other very dumb posts. Keep that Alabama tradition going

Roll Damn Tide....


I'm sure if he Jones played for Auburn he would die on the McCorkle hill all the same
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