Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NYniner85:
One play doesn't make someone "mobile" I can reference a s**t load of more examples of Burrow/Herbert/Allen etc extend plays and making big boy throws on the move. McCorkle is Jimmy G 2.0.

NC's thought process of being mobile is Murray/Jackson, he brings up rushing yards and for the most part that isn't what people are talking about.

You literally showed 2 plays saying this is being mobile.

I showed you clip of Mac Jones doing the same s**t.

You cannot post a couple clips saying doing this is being mobile. Then next post say doing it one play doesn't make you mobile.

Mac Jones has proved he's mobile enough to make plays that. Plain and simple. You can find more throws of him doing that too if you really want to look. But we all know you refuse to look at anything positive Mac does.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
One play doesn't make someone "mobile" I can reference a s**t load of more examples of Burrow/Herbert/Allen etc extend plays and making big boy throws on the move. McCorkle is Jimmy G 2.0.

NC's thought process of being mobile is Murray/Jackson, he brings up rushing yards and for the most part that isn't what people are talking about.

You literally showed 2 plays saying this is being mobile.

I showed you clip of Mac Jones doing the same s**t.

You cannot post a couple clips saying doing this is being mobile. Then next post say doing it one play doesn't make you mobile.

Mac Jones has proved he's mobile enough to make plays that. Plain and simple. You can find more throws of him doing that too if you really want to look. But we all know you refuse to look at anything positive Mac does.

Group C: Mac Jones/Minshew/old Rodgers are mobile QB that rely more on pocket mobility.

Group B: Burrow/Herbert/Allen/Mahomes are a different mobile where they can scramble to keep the distance between the DL.

Group A: Murray/Jackson/Hurts are not necessarily pocket mobile because when they move, they move to run. They can scramble to the sidelines away from DL, but they can also turn it upfield and destroy tackling angles by DBs.

Group C: pocket mobility and can occasionally scramble but will not outrun DL.

Group B: less pocket mobility but can sprint/scramble out away from DL.

Group A: Very little display of pocket mobility but can scramble AND turn it upfield vs DBs.

Lance = Group B but with Group A's top speed.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
One play doesn't make someone "mobile" I can reference a s**t load of more examples of Burrow/Herbert/Allen etc extend plays and making big boy throws on the move. McCorkle is Jimmy G 2.0.

NC's thought process of being mobile is Murray/Jackson, he brings up rushing yards and for the most part that isn't what people are talking about.

You literally showed 2 plays saying this is being mobile.

I showed you clip of Mac Jones doing the same s**t.

You cannot post a couple clips saying doing this is being mobile. Then next post say doing it one play doesn't make you mobile.

Mac Jones has proved he's mobile enough to make plays that. Plain and simple. You can find more throws of him doing that too if you really want to look. But we all know you refuse to look at anything positive Mac does.

Group C: Mac Jones/Minshew/old Rodgers are mobile QB that rely more on pocket mobility.

Group B: Burrow/Herbert/Allen/Mahomes are a different mobile where they can scramble to keep the distance between the DL.

Group A: Murray/Jackson/Hurts are not necessarily pocket mobile because when they move, they move to run. They can scramble to the sidelines away from DL, but they can also turn it upfield and destroy tackling angles by DBs.

Group C: pocket mobility and can occasionally scramble but will not outrun DL.

Group B: less pocket mobility but can sprint/scramble out away from DL.

Group A: Very little display of pocket mobility but can scramble AND turn it upfield vs DBs.

Lance = Group B but with Group A's top speed.

Appreciate the effort.

Basically it comes down to making plays no matter the skill set beyond H/W/S. Some of the least athletic QB's in history had the very best pocket mobility ever and are HOFers because of it. And they sucked outside the pocket.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate the effort.

Basically it comes down to making plays no matter the skill set beyond H/W/S. Some of the least athletic QB's in history had the very best pocket mobility ever and are HOFers because of it. And they sucked outside the pocket.

And so this, you feel, is legit justification for wanting the least athletic QB you can find on your favorite team?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate the effort.

Basically it comes down to making plays no matter the skill set beyond H/W/S. Some of the least athletic QB's in history had the very best pocket mobility ever and are HOFers because of it. And they sucked outside the pocket.

And so this, you feel, is legit justification for wanting the least athletic QB you can find on your favorite team?

Pocket manipulation, climbing, throwing in the face of pressure, feeling it backside, etc is much more valuable than being able to scramble and improvise. I'm talking about being elite inside the pocket, not just good.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate the effort.

Basically it comes down to making plays no matter the skill set beyond H/W/S. Some of the least athletic QB's in history had the very best pocket mobility ever and are HOFers because of it. And they sucked outside the pocket.

And so this, you feel, is legit justification for wanting the least athletic QB you can find on your favorite team?

Pocket manipulation, climbing, throwing in the face of pressure, feeling it backside, etc is much more valuable than being able to scramble and improvise. I'm talking about being elite inside the pocket, not just good.

I was commenting on the OP clamoring for players that are not very athletic at their position. Nothing about what's more important than what.

There are pretty much 24 positions in all (including placekicker and punter), and everything else even, I want the 24 best athletes they can find to fill each position.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'll just leave this here

Imagine watching what Josh Allen is doing if you have a 'limited' quarterback.

Even a really good one.

Just opens up this whole other world of play when elite tools meets elite game.

— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) January 16, 2022

This is precisely why the Rams flipped Jared Goff out for Matthew Stafford, and why the Niners dealt up for Trey Lance. The Mahomes-ization of the NFL—teams looking at the next 10 years vs. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, etc. https://t.co/7nD4WxVQnV

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 16, 2022

LOL. Goff IS Stafford. Stafford IS Goff.

His overall point is correct though.

I'll tell you one difference between them: Stafford has a ring.

Like I knew he would, back when we argued against you and the other guys about trading for him. Hate that the Rams win, but love that I'm right.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'll just leave this here

Imagine watching what Josh Allen is doing if you have a 'limited' quarterback.

Even a really good one.

Just opens up this whole other world of play when elite tools meets elite game.

— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) January 16, 2022

This is precisely why the Rams flipped Jared Goff out for Matthew Stafford, and why the Niners dealt up for Trey Lance. The Mahomes-ization of the NFL—teams looking at the next 10 years vs. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, etc. https://t.co/7nD4WxVQnV

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 16, 2022

LOL. Goff IS Stafford. Stafford IS Goff.

His overall point is correct though.

I'll tell you one difference between them: Stafford has a ring.

Like I knew he would, back when we argued against you and the other guys about trading for him. Hate that the Rams win, but love that I'm right.

Some horrible takes can definitely be found in here if you need a laugh.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'll just leave this here

Imagine watching what Josh Allen is doing if you have a 'limited' quarterback.

Even a really good one.

Just opens up this whole other world of play when elite tools meets elite game.

— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) January 16, 2022

This is precisely why the Rams flipped Jared Goff out for Matthew Stafford, and why the Niners dealt up for Trey Lance. The Mahomes-ization of the NFL—teams looking at the next 10 years vs. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, etc. https://t.co/7nD4WxVQnV

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 16, 2022

LOL. Goff IS Stafford. Stafford IS Goff.

His overall point is correct though.

I'll tell you one difference between them: Stafford has a ring.

Like I knew he would, back when we argued against you and the other guys about trading for him. Hate that the Rams win, but love that I'm right.

Some horrible takes can definitely be found in here if you need a laugh.

Sad thing is that most of those guys will be Steeler, Broncos or Commie fans next year, depending on where Jimmy ends up.

Not even sure why I got worked up over those guys when I knew all along I'd be vindicated, simply because I actually WATCHED film on Stafford before making up my mind about him. 😂

We actually had people think Jimmy was better! Can you believe it?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'll just leave this here

Imagine watching what Josh Allen is doing if you have a 'limited' quarterback.

Even a really good one.

Just opens up this whole other world of play when elite tools meets elite game.

— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) January 16, 2022

This is precisely why the Rams flipped Jared Goff out for Matthew Stafford, and why the Niners dealt up for Trey Lance. The Mahomes-ization of the NFL—teams looking at the next 10 years vs. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, etc. https://t.co/7nD4WxVQnV

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 16, 2022

LOL. Goff IS Stafford. Stafford IS Goff.

His overall point is correct though.

I'll tell you one difference between them: Stafford has a ring.

Like I knew he would, back when we argued against you and the other guys about trading for him. Hate that the Rams win, but love that I'm right.

You didn't argue against me. I would have been fine with it. My only stance was his loooooooong list of health concerns and knowing he'd be way more exposed behind our pass protection. And he barely got through that game with great pass protection. LOL

But he did win it...with a Garoppolo-like 2 INT's even. So he bucked the Goff big game fail label.

PS: The pocket passer wins again.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'll just leave this here

Imagine watching what Josh Allen is doing if you have a 'limited' quarterback.

Even a really good one.

Just opens up this whole other world of play when elite tools meets elite game.

— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) January 16, 2022

This is precisely why the Rams flipped Jared Goff out for Matthew Stafford, and why the Niners dealt up for Trey Lance. The Mahomes-ization of the NFL—teams looking at the next 10 years vs. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, etc. https://t.co/7nD4WxVQnV

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 16, 2022

LOL. Goff IS Stafford. Stafford IS Goff.

His overall point is correct though.

I'll tell you one difference between them: Stafford has a ring.

Like I knew he would, back when we argued against you and the other guys about trading for him. Hate that the Rams win, but love that I'm right.

You didn't argue against me. I would have been fine with it. My only stance was his loooooooong list of health concerns and knowing he'd be way more exposed behind our pass protection. And he barely got through that game with great pass protection. LOL

But he did win it...with a Garoppolo-like 2 INT's even. So he bucked the Goff big game fail label.

PS: The pocket passer wins again.

Not the pocket passer. The guy with an elite arm who made a few elite throws when it mattered.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'll just leave this here

Imagine watching what Josh Allen is doing if you have a 'limited' quarterback.

Even a really good one.

Just opens up this whole other world of play when elite tools meets elite game.

— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) January 16, 2022

This is precisely why the Rams flipped Jared Goff out for Matthew Stafford, and why the Niners dealt up for Trey Lance. The Mahomes-ization of the NFL—teams looking at the next 10 years vs. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, etc. https://t.co/7nD4WxVQnV

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 16, 2022

LOL. Goff IS Stafford. Stafford IS Goff.

His overall point is correct though.

I'll tell you one difference between them: Stafford has a ring.

Like I knew he would, back when we argued against you and the other guys about trading for him. Hate that the Rams win, but love that I'm right.

You didn't argue against me. I would have been fine with it. My only stance was his loooooooong list of health concerns and knowing he'd be way more exposed behind our pass protection. And he barely got through that game with great pass protection. LOL

But he did win it...with a Garoppolo-like 2 INT's even. So he bucked the Goff big game fail label.

PS: The pocket passer wins again.

Not the pocket passer. The guy with an elite arm who made a few elite throws when it mattered.

Yeah, that's what pocket passers usually do since they can't rely on athleticism as a crutch. Not that I don't love that skill set too (in our QB).

The old pocket passers continue to win Superbowls. Eventually that'll change as they shrink in numbers.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'll just leave this here

Imagine watching what Josh Allen is doing if you have a 'limited' quarterback.

Even a really good one.

Just opens up this whole other world of play when elite tools meets elite game.

— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) January 16, 2022

This is precisely why the Rams flipped Jared Goff out for Matthew Stafford, and why the Niners dealt up for Trey Lance. The Mahomes-ization of the NFL—teams looking at the next 10 years vs. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, etc. https://t.co/7nD4WxVQnV

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 16, 2022

LOL. Goff IS Stafford. Stafford IS Goff.

His overall point is correct though.

I'll tell you one difference between them: Stafford has a ring.

Like I knew he would, back when we argued against you and the other guys about trading for him. Hate that the Rams win, but love that I'm right.

You didn't argue against me. I would have been fine with it. My only stance was his loooooooong list of health concerns and knowing he'd be way more exposed behind our pass protection. And he barely got through that game with great pass protection. LOL

But he did win it...with a Garoppolo-like 2 INT's even. So he bucked the Goff big game fail label.

PS: The pocket passer wins again.

Not the pocket passer. The guy with an elite arm who made a few elite throws when it mattered.

Yeah, that's what pocket passers usually do since they can't rely on athleticism as a crutch. Not that I don't love that skill set too (in our QB).

The old pocket passers continue to win Superbowls. Eventually that'll change as they shrink in numbers.

Fortunately Trey is and always has been a pocket passer. He'll move around, but he's always looking to throw. His runs in college and the NFL have mostly been designed runs. EDIT -- probably part of why he was drafted over Fields.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'll just leave this here

Imagine watching what Josh Allen is doing if you have a 'limited' quarterback.

Even a really good one.

Just opens up this whole other world of play when elite tools meets elite game.

— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) January 16, 2022

This is precisely why the Rams flipped Jared Goff out for Matthew Stafford, and why the Niners dealt up for Trey Lance. The Mahomes-ization of the NFL—teams looking at the next 10 years vs. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, etc. https://t.co/7nD4WxVQnV

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 16, 2022

LOL. Goff IS Stafford. Stafford IS Goff.

His overall point is correct though.

I'll tell you one difference between them: Stafford has a ring.

Like I knew he would, back when we argued against you and the other guys about trading for him. Hate that the Rams win, but love that I'm right.

You didn't argue against me. I would have been fine with it. My only stance was his loooooooong list of health concerns and knowing he'd be way more exposed behind our pass protection. And he barely got through that game with great pass protection. LOL

But he did win it...with a Garoppolo-like 2 INT's even. So he bucked the Goff big game fail label.

PS: The pocket passer wins again.

Not the pocket passer. The guy with an elite arm who made a few elite throws when it mattered.

Yeah, that's what pocket passers usually do since they can't rely on athleticism as a crutch. Not that I don't love that skill set too (in our QB).

The old pocket passers continue to win Superbowls. Eventually that'll change as they shrink in numbers.

Fortunately Trey is and always has been a pocket passer. He'll move around, but he's always looking to throw. His runs in college and the NFL have mostly been designed runs. EDIT -- probably part of why he was drafted over Fields.

Yeah, super excited about that!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Not the pocket passer. The guy with an elite arm who made a few elite throws when it mattered.

Yeah, that's what pocket passers usually do since they can't rely on athleticism as a crutch. Not that I don't love that skill set too (in our QB).

The old pocket passers continue to win Superbowls. Eventually that'll change as they shrink in numbers.

Haha....fun stuff.

Having an elite arm and making elite throws IS relying on athleticism.