Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Let's not act like Jones went full Kyler Murray in that game either. Bills are a true SB contender and showed it that day scoring TD on almost every single possession. It was an embarrassment for Bills defense. I don't expect a rookie Jones and meh supporting cast to keep up with an elite Allen and his very good supporting cast.

it shouldn't be used as a knock on Jones. Not very many offenses are built to go toe to toe with Allen like when defense don't show up, that other than Mahomes and his offense.

3 points basically through 3 quarters is pretty bad. I agree it wasn't a Nathan Peterman type performance but it was mediocre as you can get.

Mac didn't somehow give the game away with turnovers but he did absolutely nothing to help his team or keep them in the game

Yeah, he could've led them to a few more points that wouldn't have made any difference at the end of the day.

But to say "he did absolutely nothing to keep him in the game"? You mean score 4 straight TDs on his first four possessions in his rookie year, in his very first postseason start to keep up? Yeah, I guess, if we're placing those expectations, then yeah he did absolutely nothing. At least I know where you stand on first year QBs lol

I don't expect a rookie QB with a meh supporting cast to go toe to toe with Allen and that offense, like Mahomes did with his high caliber offense. Bills are a legit SB contender, that took Bill's defense to the woodshed. That's the main take away. Not that a rookie QB was unable to keep up with a unicorn QB in Allen. Even a young Tom ain't doing that lol

But that's just my opinion.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Yeah, he could've led them to a few more points that wouldn't have made any difference at the end of the day.

But to say "he did absolutely nothing to keep him in the game"? You mean score 4 straight TDs on his first four possessions in his rookie year, in his very first postseason start to keep up? Yeah, I guess, if we're placing those expectations, then yeah he did absolutely nothing. At least I know where you stand on first year QBs lol

I don't expect a rookie QB with a meh supporting cast to go toe to toe with Allen and that offense, like Mahomes did with his high caliber offense. Bills are a legit SB contender, that took Bill's defense to the woodshed. That's the main take away. Not that a rookie QB was unable to keep up with a unicorn QB in Allen. Even a young Tom ain't doing that lol

But that's just my opinion.

It's the butterfly effect. You have no idea what keeping the game close could've done for playcalling on either side, morale, etc.

Whether or not he was a rookie or played well "for a rookie" is inconsequential. Players don't always get better (look at Baker Mayfield stellar rookie year!).

Mac played a poor playoff game. He was a rookie, it doesn't mean he will have a poor career but that's just what the reality is.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
3 points basically through 3 quarters is pretty bad. I agree it wasn't a Nathan Peterman type performance but it was mediocre as you can get.

Mac didn't somehow give the game away with turnovers but he did absolutely nothing to help his team or keep them in the game

The Houston game the 9ers only had 3 points up until 5:51ish left in the 3rd. The Bills Game the Pats had 3 points until 4:11 in the 3rd. One was playing the #1 ranked defense and against a juggernaut offense. The other had a juggernaut offense and a top 5 defense.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Yeah, he could've led them to a few more points that wouldn't have made any difference at the end of the day.

But to say "he did absolutely nothing to keep him in the game"? You mean score 4 straight TDs on his first four possessions in his rookie year, in his very first postseason start to keep up? Yeah, I guess, if we're placing those expectations, then yeah he did absolutely nothing. At least I know where you stand on first year QBs lol

I don't expect a rookie QB with a meh supporting cast to go toe to toe with Allen and that offense, like Mahomes did with his high caliber offense. Bills are a legit SB contender, that took Bill's defense to the woodshed. That's the main take away. Not that a rookie QB was unable to keep up with a unicorn QB in Allen. Even a young Tom ain't doing that lol

But that's just my opinion.

It's the butterfly effect. You have no idea what keeping the game close could've done for playcalling on either side, morale, etc.

Whether or not he was a rookie or played well "for a rookie" is inconsequential. Players don't always get better (look at Baker Mayfield stellar rookie year!).

Mac played a poor playoff game. He was a rookie, it doesn't mean he will have a poor career but that's just what the reality is.

A rookie QB having to go toe to toe (4 Tds in first 4 possessions) in his first playoff game against a juggernaut team like the Bills, with very meh supporting cast, has a lot to do with it, IMO.

Agree to disagree.

Originally posted by krizay:
The Houston game the 9ers only had 3 points up until 5:51ish left in the 3rd. The Bills Game the Pats had 3 points until 4:11 in the 3rd. One was playing the #1 ranked defense and against a juggernaut offense. The other had a juggernaut offense and a top 5 defense.

One was his 2nd start in his career. Other started all season and showed a marked decline in his play down the stretch.

Why couldn't the Chargers juggernaut offense and QB dispatch Houston?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
One was his 2nd start in his career. Other started all season and showed a marked decline in his play down the stretch.

Why couldn't the Chargers juggernaut offense and QB dispatch Houston?

The juggernaut offense put up 29 points. The Chargers didn't have a top 5 defense

Originally posted by krizay:
The juggernaut offense put up 29 points. The Chargers didn't have a top 5 defense

So they put up a whole 6 more points with a consensus elite QB.

I guess going 22 of 30 for 186 with no tds agains the Jets is a far more impressive 2nd start.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So they put up a whole 6 more points with a consensus elite QB.

Your question was why couldn't they "dispatch" them.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I guess going 22 of 30 for 186 with no tds agains the Jets is a far more impressive 2nd start.

You are entitled to your guess.

Originally posted by krizay:
Your question was why couldn't they "dispatch" them.

Well you are suggesting they are so terrible so it seems Chargers should've easily put up 40. Yet Herbert could only put up 6 more points then the guy who was terrible.

Originally posted by krizay:
You are entitled to your guess.

It only makes sense to compare like for like, not a guys what 18 start vs a guys 2nd.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Well you are suggesting they are so terrible so it seems Chargers should've easily put up 40. Yet Herbert could only put up 6 more points then the guy who was terrible.

I believe I was responding to a poster who said the Pats only had 3 points basically through 3 quarters against the Bills in the playoffs. I merely stated the the game everyone thought Trey played great he too only had 3 points basically through 3 quarters.

Trey had a loaded offense playing against the #31 defense. Mac doesn't come close to having a loaded offense and was playing the #1 defense.

As for the Chargers, if Herbert had a top defense that could get him the ball back more often ala Trey. Then he very likely would have put up 40. But when your defense gives up the amount they gave up limits your opportunities

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
It only makes sense to compare like for like, not a guys what 18 start vs a guys 2nd.

While you say it's like for like it's not apples to apples. Though no real QB comparison ever really is. Still doesn't change the fact that you are entitled to your guess.

Originally posted by krizay:
The Houston game the 9ers only had 3 points up until 5:51ish left in the 3rd. The Bills Game the Pats had 3 points until 4:11 in the 3rd. One was playing the #1 ranked defense and against a juggernaut offense. The other had a juggernaut offense and a top 5 defense.

Uhhhh, ok? I thought we were talking about Mac Jones? If you want to talk about trey, take it to that thread