Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by pdizo916:
So are you guys cheering for jones at 12 or nah?

Nah for me, but if he's the pick I'll root of him to become the next Brady or whatever

Originally posted by pdizo916:
So are you guys cheering for jones at 12 or nah?

Hell no

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
So are you guys cheering for jones at 12 or nah?

Nah for me, but if he's the pick I'll root of him to become the next Brady or whatever

He's more likely to be a standard average pocket passer. Think Jimmy G but better deep ball. I know they move differently, but lots more similarities.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You might if you want to keep Trent Williams and Jason Verrett.

Not true. SF is currently 10th overall in cap space and that's without making a single restructure/cut.

They could be looking at adding another $14.5M in cap space by cutting richburg and restructuring Ford. They can restructure AA, ward, and give Tomlinson a extension which also creates all kinds of cap space as well.

plus if they draft a QB they will know Jimmy's $27M will NOT be on the books in 2022, so structure contracts for whomever this yr accordingly.

It doesn't matter what rank they are. It's the value. Trent is gonna cost 24 million. Jason 10 at least. Then you have guys like Mosely, Juice and so on.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You might if you want to keep Trent Williams and Jason Verrett.

Not true. SF is currently 10th overall in cap space and that's without making a single restructure/cut.

They could be looking at adding another $14.5M in cap space by cutting richburg and restructuring Ford. They can restructure AA, ward, and give Tomlinson a extension which also creates all kinds of cap space as well.

plus if they draft a QB they will know Jimmy's $27M will NOT be on the books in 2022, so structure contracts for whomever this yr accordingly.

It doesn't matter what rank they are. It's the value. Trent is gonna cost 24 million. Jason 10 at least. Then you have guys like Mosely, Juice and so on.

Strange concept on this board that money is not money. OK, you can move it forward and backward, or spend it now or later, but the more you spend now, or push liabilities into the future, the less you have later. If you Need to spend it now, fine, but please do it on someone that's going to be around a while. What I'm saying is if the team decides Jimmy is not the future, and if like I think he's not likely to start over a top 12 quarterback pick more than a few games (you can disagree with my "ifs"), then it is stupid to spend $27.5m, and then have a less tradable benched commodity with only one year left on his contract.

Dunno if this was posted yet

Couldn't find part 1

Mac Jones part 2

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
So are you guys cheering for jones at 12 or nah?

Nah for me, but if he's the pick I'll root of him to become the next Brady or whatever

haha same

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It doesn't matter what rank they are. It's the value. Trent is gonna cost 24 million. Jason 10 at least. Then you have guys like Mosely, Juice and so on.

What do you mean it doesn't matter...top 10 in cash means, top 10 in available cash to spend lol.

I'll bet money Trent is NOT gonna cost $24M on the cap in 2021....Jason is NOT gonna cost $10M on the cap in 201, regardless of where they end up.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Strange concept on this board that money is not money. OK, you can move it forward and backward, or spend it now or later, but the more you spend now, or push liabilities into the future, the less you have later. If you Need to spend it now, fine, but please do it on someone that's going to be around a while. What I'm saying is if the team decides Jimmy is not the future, and if like I think he's not likely to start over a top 12 quarterback pick more than a few games (you can disagree with my "ifs"), then it is stupid to spend $27.5m, and then have a less tradable benched commodity with only one year left on his contract.

People simply don't understand what matters in contracts though.

because a guy has a "$25M cap hit" they automatically believe that's what they're getting paid and that's simply not true for every single contract. Especially Jimmy for the rest of his contract...I repeat he had next to nothing if GTD cash left....So no they don't have to pay Jimmy $27M as soon as week 1 starts. That's not true at all. He's basically getting paid as he goes.

Folks need to understand what matters to players is fully gtd cash. Their signing bonus. APY doesn't mean s**t end of the day for the player, that is fluff.

so yes if you can structure a CAP HIT to be larger a certain yr when you have more cap space, who cares? The player doesn't care so long as they get that gtd cash. Kittle got $18M put in his pocket the day he signed his contract, yet his cap hit was $5.8M this past yr.

I mean why to do think players always agree to restructure their contract? All it is, is taking money from their base salary (which isn't gtd) and added it to their signing bonus (which is gtd) they get that cash right now and the team gets to prorate it, which lowers the cap.

Originally posted by pdizo916:
So are you guys cheering for jones at 12 or nah?

I wouldnt mind it at all if Shanny thinks he can take over this team right away. Trade Jimmy to NE for a 2nd or 3rd, use the money saved on JG to sign Williams, Verret, Mack, and perhaps others. Then use the multiple 2nd and 3rds to get an OT, and edge rusher, and a CB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Strange concept on this board that money is not money. OK, you can move it forward and backward, or spend it now or later, but the more you spend now, or push liabilities into the future, the less you have later. If you Need to spend it now, fine, but please do it on someone that's going to be around a while. What I'm saying is if the team decides Jimmy is not the future, and if like I think he's not likely to start over a top 12 quarterback pick more than a few games (you can disagree with my "ifs"), then it is stupid to spend $27.5m, and then have a less tradable benched commodity with only one year left on his contract.

People simply don't understand what matters in contracts though.

because a guy has a "$25M cap hit" they automatically believe that's what they're getting paid and that's simply not true for every single contract. Especially Jimmy for the rest of his contract...I repeat he had next to nothing if GTD cash left....So no they don't have to pay Jimmy $27M as soon as week 1 starts. That's not true at all. He's basically getting paid as he goes.

Folks need to understand what matters to players is fully gtd cash. Their signing bonus. APY doesn't mean s**t end of the day for the player, that is fluff.

so yes if you can structure a CAP HIT to be larger a certain yr when you have more cap space, who cares? The player doesn't care so long as they get that gtd cash. Kittle got $18M put in his pocket the day he signed his contract, yet his cap hit was $5.8M this past yr.

I mean why to do think players always agree to restructure their contract? All it is, is taking money from their base salary (which isn't gtd) and added it to their signing bonus (which is gtd) they get that cash right now and the team gets to prorate it, which lowers the cap.

All correct. When I say money, since I'm not a player, I'm talking cap money. When you restructure, you do it to lower your cap hit now, and push it into future years. That's borrowing from the future.

As far as the concept of saying "who cares" because the cap will go up in future years, that is true for all teams, so in the competitive market place, all salaries on average go up, so while it might help with that contract, it still hurts getting anybody else under contract.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
All correct. When I say money, since I'm not a player, I'm talking cap money. When you restructure, you do it to lower your cap hit now, and push it into future years. That's borrowing from the future.

As far as the concept of saying "who cares" because the cap will go up in future years, that is true for all teams, so in the competitive market place, all salaries on average go up, so while it might help with that contract, it still hurts getting anybody else under contract.

Right but with Jimmy's contract which was the whole start of this, his cap hit of $27M is not gtd this yr...they could cut him and not be on the hook for much after they cut him at any pt. It's not GTD week 1 or anything from what I've read.

Also I don't see restructuring as borrowing really...you're just giving a guy more upfront (real money) but lowering the cap by reducing his base salary, yes you're adding to the prorated signing bonus the rest of the contact, but it's prorated so it's split up (and not overwhelming).

I would imagine they do something like that for Ford this yr if he can't pass his physical because he has a $11.6M guarantee from injury that takes effect after 4/1....take that $11.6M and turn it into a signing bonus and prorate it out the remainder of his contract. toss him on IR and go from there.

Anyway back to McCorkle.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Anyway back to McCorkle.

That is not a Super Bowl MVP QB name. He's gonna be a bust.

You know what names sounds like a Super Bowl winning QB's name Zach Wilson or Trey Lance!!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right but with Jimmy's contract which was the whole start of this, his cap hit of $27M is not gtd this yr...they could cut him and not be on the hook for much after they cut him at any pt. It's not GTD week 1 or anything from what I've read.

Also I don't see restructuring as borrowing really...you're just giving a guy more upfront (real money) but lowering the cap by reducing his base salary, yes you're adding to the prorated signing bonus the rest of the contact, but it's prorated so it's split up (and not overwhelming).

I would imagine they do something like that for Ford this yr if he can't pass his physical because he has a $11.6M guarantee from injury that takes effect after 4/1....take that $11.6M and turn it into a signing bonus and prorate it out the remainder of his contract. toss him on IR and go from there.

Jimmy's cap money this year is $26.4m. His dead money if cut prior to week one is $2.8m. All vested veterans (4 years) salaries become fully guaranteed if they are on the week one roster.

Restructuring is borrowing from the future. You reduce the current year cap, and spread the rest out over the remaining life of the contract, but it all has to be "paid" as in charged off to the team's cap. Yes you can convert pay to a signing bonus now and pro rate the payment over the life of the contract, so that the future years cap hit is higher than the actual payments, since he already got it. If you retire early, you may owe the team some of that money back. If we want to save cap money over the life of the contract, we need to renegotiate lower pay under leverage of just being able to cut him.