Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Probably get used to the idea of Jones or Trask...

Originally posted by Murphys1:
Probably get used to the idea of Jones or Trask...

As long as it's in the second round.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I get all of that, but if he's a Kirk Cousins level talent, that's not a backup talent lol.

Now, personally, I do see starter traits and frankly, in some ways I might even see a little bit better player than Cousins coming out. I was not a huge fan of Kirk as a prospect and his career has unfolded about exactly as I expected. He would put up some decent numbers but never really be considered elite or a winner.

Overall, if you take a guy like Mac, you're banking on the notion that it wasn't just the cast around him. Yeah, that talent would help anyone, but it can't make you throw a pinpoint accurate throw under heavy pressure. I find it interesting that despite how much max protect they do, he's still often under pressure.

At this point, I tend to agree with -- was it Crock? -- on the idea that he may be more like Matt Ryan than Kirk Cousins.

I'm not saying he's a backup QB. I'm just throwing out what I see in him good/bad.

So you're telling me you thought 4th rd pick kirk would become one of the highest paid players in the NFL and a starter on multiple teams...coming out of Michigan State? great evaluation if so What made you think he wouldn't be a winner? Kid won a ton of games at MSU...Beat Georgia in the outback bowl (not his best game). Made it to the Big 10 Chip and dueled it out with R Wilson in that game.

There's some good stuff in this breakdown of Jones



I don't dislike Jones, I think there's a ceiling there though & imo if you're all in on a QB then you should go get them...If they think Jones is as good as Wilson/Lance and the ceilings are comparable, cool not gonna cost ya as much.

Imo there's a tier there.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Yeah, not quite. Plus Jones does this in the SEC against legit defenses.

Tua was setting all kinds of records last year. Now Jones is playing at an even higher level in the same offense with less overall receiving talent when you take away Jeudy and Ruggs as well as the loss of guys on the OL. They're still stacked no doubt but now Jaylen Waddle is also out and Jones hasn't skipped a beat whatsoever, he's just out there ripping it to whomever.

31. New Orleans Saints: Mac Jones, QB, Alabama

With above-average receivers, running backs, blockers and play calling at Alabama, Jones is a tough quarterback to separate from the situation. But he makes smart decisions, moves well in the pocket and is very accurate. Jones won't be an ideal fit for everyone, but it wouldn't be surprising to see him sneak into Round 1 in the right situation.

https://theathletic.com/2228878/2020/11/30/nfl-mock-draft-1-0-jets-panthers-washington-and-more-get-new-quarterbacks/

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Absolutely agree with OTC.

A lot has been said about the talent surrounding Mac, yet his offensive line hasn't been as dominant as last year. Leatherwood is good, but the whole line has allowed a lot of pressure.

I've been calling the Matt Ryan comparison since this thread was made. I still stand by it.

Ahh that Bama OL is chalk full of top end recruits.

LT-leatherwood 5 star #1 OT in nation
LG-Deonte Brown 3 star
C-Landon Dickerson 4 star playing at a high level this yr
RG-Emil Ekiyor Jr. 4 star
RT-Evan Neal 5 start #1 OT in nation

They can use a lot of 7 man protections because their WRs are so damn good.

Jones makes plays no doubt, I'm not seeing some elite play maker though. he's not Matt Ryan coming out of BC imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I get all of that, but if he's a Kirk Cousins level talent, that's not a backup talent lol.

Now, personally, I do see starter traits and frankly, in some ways I might even see a little bit better player than Cousins coming out. I was not a huge fan of Kirk as a prospect and his career has unfolded about exactly as I expected. He would put up some decent numbers but never really be considered elite or a winner.

Overall, if you take a guy like Mac, you're banking on the notion that it wasn't just the cast around him. Yeah, that talent would help anyone, but it can't make you throw a pinpoint accurate throw under heavy pressure. I find it interesting that despite how much max protect they do, he's still often under pressure.

At this point, I tend to agree with -- was it Crock? -- on the idea that he may be more like Matt Ryan than Kirk Cousins.

I'm not saying he's a backup QB. I'm just throwing out what I see in him good/bad.

So you're telling me you thought 4th rd pick kirk would become one of the highest paid players in the NFL and a starter on multiple teams...coming out of Michigan State? great evaluation if so What made you think he wouldn't be a winner? Kid won a ton of games at MSU...Beat Georgia in the outback bowl (not his best game). Made it to the Big 10 Chip and dueled it out with R Wilson in that game.

There's some good stuff in this breakdown of Jones



I don't dislike Jones, I think there's a ceiling there though & imo if you're all in on a QB then you should go get them...If they think Jones is as good as Wilson/Lance and the ceilings are comparable, cool not gonna cost ya as much.

Imo there's a tier there.

The backup thing was pointed more towards Xfactor, the other poster. No, yeah I thought Kirk was par value in the 4th and he developed well in Washington but since then hasn't really made any dramatic improvement or suddenly became a superstar or anything. His roughly 50% career winning percentage is about what I expected. Being a "winner" in college doesn't necessarily mean all that much. Overall, obviously not a bad QB, but still has yet to do anything especially noteworthy in terms of winning in the NFL.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

As much as I'd love to get Zach Wilson next year, it clearly looks like we are playing our way out of position to draft him. A healthy Jimmy G backed up by Mac Jones for 2021 is quite appetizing to me.

If they love Wilson/Lance why not move up for the QB? I get it if they like Jones just as much, but if he's a tier below on their big boards why would you settle? I'm not doing that at the QB position. More understandable if it's a different position.

Draft picks are great, but when you're talking about a long-term franchise QB they shouldn't just settle. Those future picks could very well turn into guys like Thomas/Pettis and if they get the guy they want at QB and he balls out, no one cares about what you gave up.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Absolutely agree with OTC.

A lot has been said about the talent surrounding Mac, yet his offensive line hasn't been as dominant as last year. Leatherwood is good, but the whole line has allowed a lot of pressure.

I've been calling the Matt Ryan comparison since this thread was made. I still stand by it.

Ahh that Bama OL is chalk full of top end recruits.

LT-leatherwood 5 star #1 OT in nation
LG-Deonte Brown 3 star
C-Landon Dickerson 4 star playing at a high level this yr
RG-Emil Ekiyor Jr. 4 star
RT-Evan Neal 5 start #1 OT in nation

They can use a lot of 7 man protections because their WRs are so damn good.

Jones makes plays no doubt, I'm not seeing some elite play maker though. he's not Matt Ryan coming out of BC imo.

Yes, the o-line is talented. Didn't say they weren't but they're also not as dominant as last year. Maybe it was masked a bit last year with Tua being more mobile and buying time, but there's no denying how much pressure Mac has been in this year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If they love Wilson/Lance why not move up for the QB? I get it if they like Jones just as much, but if he's a tier below on their big boards why would you settle? I'm not doing that at the QB position. More understandable if it's a different position.

Draft picks are great, but when you're talking about a long-term franchise QB they shouldn't just settle. Those future picks could very well turn into guys like Thomas/Pettis and if they get the guy they want at QB and he balls out, no one cares about what you gave up.

If the Niners pick a QB in the next draft I would draft another one in 2022. Keep drafting one unless one of them turns into a real stud. They don't need to be high picks. Third or 4th rounders would be okay. Even if the guy they pick next year turns out to be the right guy I would still follow up with more QBs. You not only might find some one even better but you could find a good backup or a guy that you could use in a trade.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
As much as I'd love to get Zach Wilson next year, it clearly looks like we are playing our way out of position to draft him. A healthy Jimmy G backed up by Mac Jones for 2021 is quite appetizing to me.

If they love Wilson/Lance why not move up for the QB? I get it if they like Jones just as much, but if he's a tier below on their big boards why would you settle? I'm not doing that at the QB position. More understandable if it's a different position.

Draft picks are great, but when you're talking about a long-term franchise QB they shouldn't just settle. Those future picks could very well turn into guys like Thomas/Pettis and if they get the guy they want at QB and he balls out, no one cares about what you gave up.

It's really going to come down to the cap situation, and the niners aren't in a good spot with a ton of pending free agents, so the picks become even more valuable. Also, something that's been discussed a bit, next year's draft is going to be REAL different especially with some players not playing a full schedule or not playing at all this season. The QB hype is real and other teams will see major value there. Teams like the Chargers, for example, will be receiving a ton of calls for teams wanting to move up for a QB. The 49ers are most likely going to stay somewhat competitive and may be sending out later 1st round picks than maybe a CHI, WFT, ATL, etc.

LAC will be losing Ingram....i wonder if we can offer Armstead or Dee Ford plus picks to move up lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If they love Wilson/Lance why not move up for the QB? I get it if they like Jones just as much, but if he's a tier below on their big boards why would you settle? I'm not doing that at the QB position. More understandable if it's a different position.

Draft picks are great, but when you're talking about a long-term franchise QB they shouldn't just settle. Those future picks could very well turn into guys like Thomas/Pettis and if they get the guy they want at QB and he balls out, no one cares about what you gave up.

Using that logic, why not trade up for Trevor Lawrence? He's the top prospect right? Go big or go home!

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

The backup thing was pointed more towards Xfactor, the other poster. No, yeah I thought Kirk was par value in the 4th and he developed well in Washington but since then hasn't really made any dramatic improvement or suddenly became a superstar or anything. His roughly 50% career winning percentage is about what I expected. Being a "winner" in college doesn't necessarily mean all that much. Overall, obviously not a bad QB, but still has yet to do anything especially noteworthy in terms of winning in the NFL.

I'd say without question he's outplayed his draft spot, no?

I don't use winning % to determine if a QB is good or not...winning % is a team stat.

Overall he's a decent QB, I'm not a Kirk truther or anything. I think Jones has very similar traits to Kirk.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Using that logic, why not trade up for Trevor Lawrence? He's the top prospect right? Go big or go home!

Ohhhh I knew you were gonna ask that

Because the Jets aren't moving off Lawrence...true generational QB and a team that hasn't had good Qb play in decades.

I'd at least call to see if it's a possibility.

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

It's really going to come down to the cap situation, and the niners aren't in a good spot with a ton of pending free agents, so the picks become even more valuable. Also, something that's been discussed a bit, next year's draft is going to be REAL different especially with some players not playing a full schedule or not playing at all this season. The QB hype is real and other teams will see major value there. Teams like the Chargers, for example, will be receiving a ton of calls for teams wanting to move up for a QB. The 49ers are most likely going to stay somewhat competitive and may be sending out later 1st round picks than maybe a CHI, WFT, ATL, etc.

LAC will be losing Ingram....i wonder if we can offer Armstead or Dee Ford plus picks to move up lol.

Cap situation disappears if they move off Jimmy regardless.

Draft picks while super important are still 50/50 on whether they hit. I mean if SF gets 2 bona fide starters in a draft that's a good draft.

If there's one position you shouldn't be settling for it's QB. A great QB makes those lost picks look like nothing.

I have no idea why people keep throwing ATL in the QB mix, they just paid Ryan. He's not going anywhere. He's not the reason that team isn't good.

AA would cost SF $21M in DM (save nothing) in 2021 to trade. They also would eat $6M in DM by trading Ward. There would also be DM hits in the following yr for both.

Moving players after one year into a new contract is financially not feasible most times.

They love a QB prospect do what you can to get them....if they think Jones is on the same tier cool. You shouldn't wait to draft him either then.