Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by rathman4481:
Andy dalton was/is a turnover machine though. I don't see that with Mac yet.

He most certainly was not a TO machine in college

Originally posted by rathman4481:
Andy dalton was/is a turnover machine though. I don't see that with Mac yet.

He already values the football and that's a trait that a lot of young QB's have to have drilled into them by their coaches. Jones has no problem finding his checkdown or simply throwing it away. It's one of his most impressive traits. This is why I 100% believe his floor is Kirk Cousins/Matt Ryan. I just don't see any bust potential in him and I think he's a guaranteed 10+ year starter in this league. He may never reach being a legit top 10 guy, but he's going to be a QB you can easily win with if you keep a good team around him. That's all this team really needs right now, but on a rookie contract.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
He already values the football and that's a trait that a lot of young QB's have to have drilled into them by their coaches. Jones has no problem finding his checkdown or simply throwing it away. It's one of his most impressive traits. This is why I 100% believe his floor is Kirk Cousins/Matt Ryan. I just don't see any bust potential in him and I think he's a guaranteed 10+ year starter in this league. He may never reach being a legit top 10 guy, but he's going to be a QB you can easily win with if you keep a good team around him. That's all this team really needs right now, but on a rookie contract.

This is such an underrated quality. I just watched a bunch of Sam Darnold, and the guy struggles to consistently find his checkdown or take what the defense gives him. Mac Jones does this extremely well. He understands the concept of taking what the defense gives you, playing for the next down, and knowing when to hunt versus man coverage.

Originally posted by Heroism:
This is such an underrated quality. I just watched a bunch of Sam Darnold, and the guy struggles to consistently find his checkdown or take what the defense gives him. Mac Jones does this extremely well. He understands the concept of taking what the defense gives you, playing for the next down, and knowing when to hunt versus man coverage.

I'd say sam's best game finding his check downs was the LA game this yr

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
Go check every single scouting report on Ryan coming out or find his clips on YouTube. He did not have a bunch of tight window throws. He was a smart QB, but he was questioned by many for his gunslinger mindset, but not having the arm to always get away with those risky tight window throws and it led to a lot of interceptions. Jones imo has better accuracy and similar zip on his throws if you compare him to Ryan coming out, but he protects the ball much better and has a better deep ball because Ryan used to sail a ton of deep passes in college. This was a legit knock on him coming out, but he was still taken high because the game still loved pocket passers back then and he was a heady/accurate QB that just needed to be reigned in a little.

Meh you can find draft profiles saying both things good and bad.

just watched the highlights from that VT game back in 2008, ryan was throwing with plenty of velocity.

one play, which you never want the QB doing, he scrambled and threw it across his body, across the field like 30 yards off his back foot for a TD. Plenty of arm. I was actually surprised to see how athletic ryan was at BC.

I've seen that play plenty of times and yes, Ryan had a great game, but that throw should've been picked off if the defender didn't screw up. He also had a ton of poor throws in that game where guys had to adjust to poorly thrown balls while running open. His arm strength at BC is very similar to Jones, but Mac was more accurate because he had better mechanics, though Ryan cleaned that up quickly in the pros. Very similar prospects though, just 2007 was so long ago and the game has changed a ton since then. If both were in the same draft class, I very much doubt anyone is taking BC Ryan over Jones, neither in 2008 or 2021.

People are too in love with hero ball.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
He already values the football and that's a trait that a lot of young QB's have to have drilled into them by their coaches. Jones has no problem finding his checkdown or simply throwing it away. It's one of his most impressive traits. This is why I 100% believe his floor is Kirk Cousins/Matt Ryan. I just don't see any bust potential in him and I think he's a guaranteed 10+ year starter in this league. He may never reach being a legit top 10 guy, but he's going to be a QB you can easily win with if you keep a good team around him. That's all this team really needs right now, but on a rookie contract.

Lance is in the same boat, kid doesn't turn the ball over.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
I've seen that play plenty of times and yes, Ryan had a great game, but that throw should've been picked off if the defender didn't screw up. He also had a ton of poor throws in that game where guys had to adjust to poorly thrown balls while running open. His arm strength at BC is very similar to Jones, but Mac was more accurate because he had better mechanics, though Ryan cleaned that up quickly in the pros. Very similar prospects though, just 2007 was so long ago and the game has changed a ton since then. If both were in the same draft class, I very much doubt anyone is taking BC Ryan over Jones, neither in 2008 or 2021.

It showed that the arm wasn't an issue.

Dalton is my comp all day. Agree to disagree

I gotta wonder. If Mahomes had won that SB and Brady lost, would the prototypical pocket QB like Mac Jones get this much hype as a top ten draft pick? There definitely seems to be a recency and confirmation bias in the league.

Originally posted by rathman4481:
People are too in love with hero ball.

I'm not sure "people" understand that there is a difference in playing hero ball and the QB being able to make a play when it breaks down.

My bold prediction Mac Jones runs his 40 somewhere between Dak and Matt Ryan

Dak Prescott 4.79
Teddy Bridgewater 4.79
Patrick Mahomes 4.80
Baker Mayfield 4.81
Matthew Stafford 4.81
Jared Goff 4.82
Daniel Jones 4.82
Drew Brees 4.83
Kirk Cousins 4.84
Sam Darnold 4.86
Matt Ryan 4.89

Originally posted by rathman4481:
People are too in love with hero ball.

I don't even know what that means

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I'm not sure "people" understand that there is a difference in playing hero ball and the QB being able to make a play when it breaks down.

"People " do understand the difference. But you can make a play a multitude of ways when a play breaks down. "Other people " don't love those plays. They are in love with the hero ball plays.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
People are too in love with hero ball.

I'm not sure "people" understand that there is a difference in playing hero ball and the QB being able to make a play when it breaks down.

Right? Like Watson/Mahomes/herbert/Wilson are incapable of playing inside the pocket or some s**t.

nothing wrong with wanting BOTH

Originally posted by krizay:
"People " do understand the difference. But you can make a play a multitude of ways when a play breaks down. "Other people " don't love those plays. They are in love with the hero ball plays.

How can you make plays in other ways when you got a guy coming off a blitz that you didn't see pre-snap and are forced to run, escape and extend.

your reads go out the window.