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Mar 11, 2021 at 9:45 AM
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Nastastical:
He already values the football and that's a trait that a lot of young QB's have to have drilled into them by their coaches. Jones has no problem finding his checkdown or simply throwing it away. It's one of his most impressive traits. This is why I 100% believe his floor is Kirk Cousins/Matt Ryan. I just don't see any bust potential in him and I think he's a guaranteed 10+ year starter in this league. He may never reach being a legit top 10 guy, but he's going to be a QB you can easily win with if you keep a good team around him. That's all this team really needs right now, but on a rookie contract.

This is such an underrated quality. I just watched a bunch of Sam Darnold, and the guy struggles to consistently find his checkdown or take what the defense gives him. Mac Jones does this extremely well. He understands the concept of taking what the defense gives you, playing for the next down, and knowing when to hunt versus man coverage.

If Jimmy had this trait and could stay healthy, we wouldn't even be talking about possibly replacing him. I know he can't fully control the injuries(I'll address that later), but I literally lose my mind when he refuses to take what the defense gives him or move onto the next down by throwing it away. It feels at times like you can count on one hand the amount of times he's actually safely thrown a ball out of bounds or at someone's feet.

You'd think playing behind Brady for so long that he'd have this down already and you can see it frustrates the hell out of Kyle when he takes an unnecessary sack or worse, turns it over forcing something that clearly wasn't there. This is also another reason he gets injured because he doesn't simply let plays end or protects himself when he knows the rush will get to him. Jones already does this if you watch closely when he knows he'll get hit. Even the best at it will get creamed every once in a while if they don't see it coming, but having good pocket awareness helps avoid many of those situations.
Mar 11, 2021 at 9:46 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
How can you make plays in other ways when you got a guy coming off a blitz that you didn't see pre-snap and are forced to run, escape and extend.

your reads go out the window.

Watch more film and be prepared
Mar 11, 2021 at 9:52 AM
Originally posted by rathman4481:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
How can you make plays in other ways when you got a guy coming off a blitz that you didn't see pre-snap and are forced to run, escape and extend.

your reads go out the window.

Watch more film and be prepared

Like this play



You can have the perfect play dialed up and have protection call all set but the execution doesn't work...then what? It's the NFL with bigger strong faster guys. Your team isn't gonna be better than everyone else every week.

you got some ability to move and have a strong lower half so you can do things like this


[ Edited by NYniner85 on Mar 11, 2021 at 9:54 AM ]
Mar 11, 2021 at 9:52 AM
Out of 35-40 pass plays you may be forced to leave the pocket 3-5 times a game and I believe that to be on the generous side.

I'd rather have the better QB for 32-37 plays than the better athlete for 3-5
Mar 11, 2021 at 9:55 AM
Originally posted by krizay:
Out of 35-40 pass plays you may be forced to leave the pocket 3-5 times a game and I believe that to be on the generous side.

I'd rather have the better QB for 32-37 plays than the better athlete for 3-5

That's a bunch of baloney, go say that in the OL thread....Our HC actually likes a QB that can move. Jimmy could do that before his ACL dude is shell shocked and lost a step at this point.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Mar 11, 2021 at 9:56 AM ]
Mar 11, 2021 at 9:59 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Like this play



You can have the perfect play dialed up and have protection call all set but the execution doesn't work...then what? It's the NFL with bigger strong faster guys. Your team isn't gonna be better than everyone else every week.

you got some ability to move and have a strong lower half so you can do things like this





7 minute mark. Most of these clips have been posted but you continue to not care to watch
Mar 11, 2021 at 10:00 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Like this play



You can have the perfect play dialed up and have protection call all set but the execution doesn't work...then what? It's the NFL with bigger strong faster guys. Your team isn't gonna be better than everyone else every week.

you got some ability to move and have a strong lower half so you can do things like this



There's also a negative aspect to playing hero ball/off script: it becomes habitual. Example: Justin Fields leaves a perfectly clean pocket for no reason and throws one of the most boneheaded INT you'll ever see.

Mar 11, 2021 at 10:00 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
That's a bunch of baloney, go say that in the OL thread....Our HC actually likes a QB that can move. Jimmy could do that before his ACL dude is shell shocked and lost a step at this point.

Bunch of baloney? I said FORCED to leave the pocket. Different than calling boots. Which can run
Mar 11, 2021 at 10:02 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Like this play



You can have the perfect play dialed up and have protection call all set but the execution doesn't work...then what? It's the NFL with bigger strong faster guys. Your team isn't gonna be better than everyone else every week.

you got some ability to move and have a strong lower half so you can do things like this



Then you eat the sack and live for another play.

But that's just a different philosophy entirely.
Mar 11, 2021 at 10:04 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by rathman4481:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
How can you make plays in other ways when you got a guy coming off a blitz that you didn't see pre-snap and are forced to run, escape and extend.

your reads go out the window.

Watch more film and be prepared

Like this play



You can have the perfect play dialed up and have protection call all set but the execution doesn't work...then what? It's the NFL with bigger strong faster guys. Your team isn't gonna be better than everyone else every week.

you got some ability to move and have a strong lower half so you can do things like this



Come on, using these highlights is cherry picking big time!

Jones had his back turned to the defense because he was running a PA where a blitzer wasn't picked up giving Jones no time to react, while Fields is in shotgun and had a defender beat his lineman and could see the rusher get free and elude him using his athleticism. Jones simply gets rid of the ball quickly in those same situations or slides in the pocket to buy himself more time.
Mar 11, 2021 at 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Heroism:
There's also a negative aspect to playing hero ball/off script: it becomes habitual. Example: Justin Fields leaves a perfectly clean pocket for no reason and throws one of the most boneheaded INT you'll ever see.


I'm pretty sure Jones just did something similar above lol.
Mar 11, 2021 at 10:05 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm pretty sure Jones just did something similar above lol.

I don't see him escaping a clean pocket in any clips above.
Mar 11, 2021 at 10:05 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right? Like Watson/Mahomes/herbert/Wilson are incapable of playing inside the pocket or some s**t.

nothing wrong with wanting BOTH


Originally posted by NYniner85:
How can you make plays in other ways when you got a guy coming off a blitz that you didn't see pre-snap and are forced to run, escape and extend.

your reads go out the window.
This X100000000000

Originally posted by rathman4481:
Watch more film and be prepared

Film can't prepare you for your OL/RB missing or getting torched, which will always happen sometimes for every team, every season and every QB
Mar 11, 2021 at 10:06 AM
Originally posted by krizay:
Bunch of baloney? I said FORCED to leave the pocket. Different than calling boots. Which can run

Yes bunch of baloney....Rogers/Mahomes/Watson/herbert/baker/ Allen/Murray/Wilson spend more then 3-4 snaps outside of the pocket. Regardless if it's because they're forced or no one is open.

Pass protection overall in the NFL is bad
Mar 11, 2021 at 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Come on, using these highlights is cherry picking big time!

Jones had his back turned to the defense because he was running a PA where a blitzer wasn't picked up giving Jones no time to react, while Fields is in shotgun and had a defender beat his lineman and could see the rusher get free and elude him using his athleticism. Jones simply gets rid of the ball quickly in those same situations or slides in the pocket to buy himself more time.

Oh you think Jones would have outran or junked his way around to extend the play there lol.

not a chance
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