Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
Come on, using these highlights is cherry picking big time!

Jones had his back turned to the defense because he was running a PA where a blitzer wasn't picked up giving Jones no time to react, while Fields is in shotgun and had a defender beat his lineman and could see the rusher get free and elude him using his athleticism. Jones simply gets rid of the ball quickly in those same situations or slides in the pocket to buy himself more time.

Oh you think Jones would have outran or junked his way around to extend the play there lol.

not a chance

He doesn't need to. When he sees a defender get free, he gets rid of the ball. It's what most good pocket QB's do. Even taking a sack isn't the end of the world if you protect the ball going down. Live to fight another day.

Originally posted by krizay:


7 minute mark. Most of these clips have been posted but you continue to not care to watch

And if his TE isn't there then what? Plays breakdown all the time....it's a sack or incompletion.

you gotta make plays outside of structure and out of all these guys he's at the bottom in that category.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yes bunch of baloney....Rogers/Mahomes/Watson/herbert/baker/ Allen/Murray/Wilson spend more then 3-4 snaps outside of the pocket. Regardless if it's because they're forced or no one is open.

Pass protection overall in the NFL is bad

Now if I was to say how often Drew Brees,, Tom Brady,, Ben Roethlisberger didn't have to leave the pocket you would be up in arms..

We should be focused on how each of the QBs we are discussing will do in a San Francisco 49ers uniform. We should give 2 s**ts what other teams are doing.

As it relates to the 49ers and k**e Shanahan's offense. Our QB will be lucky to be forced out of the pocket more than 3-5 times a game.

Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen could fart rainbows while running around and chucking passes and it will have zero effect on the 49ers.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
He doesn't need to. When he sees a defender get free, he gets rid of the ball. It's what most good pocket QB's do. Even taking a sack isn't the end of the world if you protect the ball going down. Live to fight another day.

If you don't think he's not gonna have to do that in the NFL behind 90% or these OLs. I don't know what to tell ya. There's a reason guys like him drafted the past 5yrs haven't been successful.

And no it's not the end of the world, difference is that's a first down for another QB. There's probably about 3 more first downs a game if you can move. Defenses have to adjust their coverages based off that. Look at SF facing a QB that can move vs can't.

again it's not a in the pocket passer vs a scrambler...you CAN have both, plenty of QBs in the NFL bring that ability. I have no idea why people can't fathom the idea that you can have both.

Originally posted by krizay:
Now if I was to say how often Drew Brees,, Tom Brady,, Ben Roethlisberger didn't have to leave the pocket you would be up in arms..

We should be focused on how each of the QBs we are discussing will do in a San Francisco 49ers uniform. We should give 2 s**ts what other teams are doing.

As it relates to the 49ers and k**e Shanahan's offense. Our QB will be lucky to be forced out of the pocket more than 3-5 times a game.

Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen could fart rainbows while running around and chucking passes and it will have zero effect on the 49ers.

Lol you mean the dinosaurs of the league? Big Ben is a house and takes multiple people to bring him down. He's the opposite of chicken legs McCorkle from that standpoint.

You not watch the Niners this past yr? Our QBs got forced out of the pocket plenty. Reads are gone at that point, just god given ability to make a damn play.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
Come on, using these highlights is cherry picking big time!

Jones had his back turned to the defense because he was running a PA where a blitzer wasn't picked up giving Jones no time to react, while Fields is in shotgun and had a defender beat his lineman and could see the rusher get free and elude him using his athleticism. Jones simply gets rid of the ball quickly in those same situations or slides in the pocket to buy himself more time.

During the actual game even NY said you can't put that on Mac

I so can't wait for this draft to be over.

NYNiner vs EVERYONE:

https://youtu.be/qNczLPYdTdM

It just comes down to of Kyle wants a pocket passer or a guy that can move.

Originally posted by rathman4481:
It just comes down to of Kyle wants a pocket passer or a guy that can move.

And we know what Kyle wants of the two. Sure, he's probably liking the idea of a guy that creates on his own when things break down, but for the majority of plays, things ought to be executed the way they're drawn up.

And I don't get why people are acting like this whole mobile QB/off-script plays stuff is new. I remember being a kid and having nightmares about this dude running around, escaping defenders and chucking bombs downfield. The game hasn't changed. There's just more of them now.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
He already values the football and that's a trait that a lot of young QB's have to have drilled into them by their coaches. Jones has no problem finding his checkdown or simply throwing it away. It's one of his most impressive traits. This is why I 100% believe his floor is Kirk Cousins/Matt Ryan. I just don't see any bust potential in him and I think he's a guaranteed 10+ year starter in this league. He may never reach being a legit top 10 guy, but he's going to be a QB you can easily win with if you keep a good team around him. That's all this team really needs right now, but on a rookie contract.

This is very strange as I completely agree with your process and workings out, but completely disagree with the conclusion you reach.

Yes you can win with a QB like we think Mac can be, and certainly on his rookie deal you won't need him to be a top 10 QB.

What happens when he has won in the league, but isn't a top 10 QB? How much money do you think he'll want? You then either have a Cousins or Dak situation where you have to pay them, but then they just aren't good enough to win with your now weakened team.

Give me a guy who if they reach their ceiling they can carry along that team even after their pay day, and if the sink to their floor you don't have to pay them.

A Jameis Winston is much better for a team than a Jared Goff, at least you can start again without a huge cost.

Originally posted by rathman4481:
It just comes down to of Kyle wants a pocket passer or a guy that can move.

A few pages ago I posted a quote where Kyle talks about how athletic QB's basically change his playcalling because some of the staple plays in his offense aren't as effective when the defense is keying in on keeping scrambling QB's in the pocket.

"I'll say that we run a lot of bootlegs and things like that. Usually the most success I've had with quarterbacks who can do that are the ones who aren't mobile, because I only want to run bootlegs and stuff if people aren't playing them and when you have a mobile guy, they're playing them. When you don't, they play the run and then you get slow quarterbacks out on the edge and they can throw all day." - Kyle Shanahan

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
It just comes down to of Kyle wants a pocket passer or a guy that can move.

And we know what Kyle wants of the two. Sure, he's probably liking the idea of a guy that creates on his own when things break down, but for the majority of plays, things ought to be executed the way they're drawn up.

And I don't get why people are acting like this whole mobile QB/off-script plays stuff is new. I remember being a kid and having nightmares about this dude running around, escaping defenders and chucking bombs downfield. The game hasn't changed. There's just more of them now.

Shanny also grew up watching his dad coach Young and Elway

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I think about this a ton when it comes to what Kyle Shanahan thinks about quarterbacks 4 years and 3 losing seasons later... https://t.co/bb4Y5blcBI pic.twitter.com/Q1klOUTgMs

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 17, 2021

Shanny also grew up watching his dad coach Young and Elway

Yeah, these dude's ain't anything new. The problem is finding a guy that strikes that sweet balance with being a passer first.

ie don't leave clean pockets.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
Come on, using these highlights is cherry picking big time!

Jones had his back turned to the defense because he was running a PA where a blitzer wasn't picked up giving Jones no time to react, while Fields is in shotgun and had a defender beat his lineman and could see the rusher get free and elude him using his athleticism. Jones simply gets rid of the ball quickly in those same situations or slides in the pocket to buy himself more time.

During the actual game even NY said you can't put that on Mac

Never said that play was on him, RB missed the blitz pickup. Still another more mobile QB with a thick lower half has a better chance of doing something with that play.