Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

I just don't get the hype for Mac Jones. The stats for this year are impressive, but is he really a first round prospect from a tools standpoint? I would love for the Niners to get one of the 4 top rated QB's in the first round, but don't think Jones is in that same class. Am I wrong?

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
I just don't get the hype for Mac Jones. The stats for this year are impressive, but is he really a first round prospect from a tools standpoint? I would love for the Niners to get one of the 4 top rated QB's in the first round, but don't think Jones is in that same class. Am I wrong?

He's nowhere near as athletic as Wilson, Lance, Fields, or Lawrence, but Mac brings with him a high football IQ, great pocket awareness, accurate, throws a fantastic deep ball, and shows great toughness.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
I just don't get the hype for Mac Jones. The stats for this year are impressive, but is he really a first round prospect from a tools standpoint? I would love for the Niners to get one of the 4 top rated QB's in the first round, but don't think Jones is in that same class. Am I wrong?

I think he's hyped on here because most people have accepted this is the type of QB that Kyle wants. There's nothing sexy or fun about Mac Jones.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

I just don't get the hype for Mac Jones. The stats for this year are impressive, but is he really a first round prospect from a tools standpoint? I would love for the Niners to get one of the 4 top rated QB's in the first round, but don't think Jones is in that same class. Am I wrong?

I think he's hyped on here because most people have accepted this is the type of QB that Kyle wants. There's nothing sexy or fun about Mac Jones.

I don't know, I would only say he doesn't have a cannon or crazy athleticism. I get that those are typically what people consider "fun" about players, but it doesn't necessarily make them good. Jones seems to have pretty much everything else.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I don't know, I would only say he doesn't have a cannon or crazy athleticism. I get that those are typically what people consider "fun" about players, but it doesn't necessarily make them good. Jones seems to have pretty much everything else.

Agreed. That's what I meant to say.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
I just don't get the hype for Mac Jones. The stats for this year are impressive, but is he really a first round prospect from a tools standpoint? I would love for the Niners to get one of the 4 top rated QB's in the first round, but don't think Jones is in that same class. Am I wrong?

Jones' skills and deficiencies don't seem to separate him from those of Jimmy. Jimmy has proven his ability to go to a SB.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

I just don't get the hype for Mac Jones. The stats for this year are impressive, but is he really a first round prospect from a tools standpoint? I would love for the Niners to get one of the 4 top rated QB's in the first round, but don't think Jones is in that same class. Am I wrong?

Jones' skills and deficiencies don't seem to separate him from those of Jimmy. Jimmy has proven his ability to go to a SB.

I'd say that's mostly fair. The one difference seem to be deep accuracy/ball placement. Jimmy completes a high percentage of passes, but he doesn't throw a good deep ball. I rarely see him execute the fade either.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I'd say that's mostly fair. The one difference seem to be deep accuracy/ball placement. Jimmy completes a high percentage of passes, but he doesn't throw a good deep ball. I rarely see him execute the fade either.

What happened to Jimmy? This wasn't him coming out of college. Jimmy was super aggressive in college. He broke a bunch of passing records at Eastern Illinois(some held by Tony Romo). He had a very nice deep ball coming out--fades all day. I loved everything about Jimmy as a prospect. He played so quick, his release was blazing fast and he was a gunslinger. What happened to that Jimmy?

Originally posted by Heroism:

I think he's hyped on here because most people have accepted this is the type of QB that Kyle wants. There's nothing sexy or fun about Mac Jones.

Winning games is sexy. He does a lot of what you need to win games.


Because of Mahomes, everything has just kind of fallen on its head. Now the latest fad is a QB that can run around and throw it a mile. That will burn itself out sooner rather than later as there is no one else like Mahomes and only so many guys with supreme arm talent that can actually quarterback at an NFL level. Its like the BIG CB fad from a few years back when teams were overdrafting the hell out of any CB that was over 6'2" due to the success Seattle had experienced.






There will always be a place in the league for guys with good pocket presence that can function under pressure, have good ball placement, especially on deep throws and can be given the keys to an offense and trusted to make the right decisions. They might not make the splashy Mahomes throws but they'll make the plays needed to consistently win games.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think he's hyped on here because most people have accepted this is the type of QB that Kyle wants. There's nothing sexy or fun about Mac Jones.

Winning games is sexy. He does a lot of what you need to win games.

Because of Mahomes, everything has just kind of fallen on its head. Now the latest fad is a QB that can run around and throw it a mile. That will burn itself out sooner rather than later as there is no one else like Mahomes and only so many guys with supreme arm talent that can actually quarterback at an NFL level. Its like the BIG CB fad from a few years back when teams were overdrafting the hell out of any CB that was over 6'2" due to the success Seattle had experienced.

There will always be a place in the league for guys with good pocket presence that can function under pressure, have good ball placement, especially on deep throws and can be given the keys to an offense and trusted to make the right decisions. They might not make the splashy Mahomes throws but they'll make the plays needed to consistently win games.

Good post.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Winning games is sexy. He does a lot of what you need to win games.

Because of Mahomes, everything has just kind of fallen on its head. Now the latest fad is a QB that can run around and throw it a mile. That will burn itself out sooner rather than later as there is no one else like Mahomes and only so many guys with supreme arm talent that can actually quarterback at an NFL level. Its like the BIG CB fad from a few years back when teams were overdrafting the hell out of any CB that was over 6'2" due to the success Seattle had experienced.

There will always be a place in the league for guys with good pocket presence that can function under pressure, have good ball placement, especially on deep throws and can be given the keys to an offense and trusted to make the right decisions. They might not make the splashy Mahomes throws but they'll make the plays needed to consistently win games.

Totally agree. And the bolded is exactly what I mean by not sexy.

Winning is winning and doesn't always have to be sexy.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think he's hyped on here because most people have accepted this is the type of QB that Kyle wants. There's nothing sexy or fun about Mac Jones.

Winning games is sexy. He does a lot of what you need to win games.

Because of Mahomes, everything has just kind of fallen on its head. Now the latest fad is a QB that can run around and throw it a mile. That will burn itself out sooner rather than later as there is no one else like Mahomes and only so many guys with supreme arm talent that can actually quarterback at an NFL level. Its like the BIG CB fad from a few years back when teams were overdrafting the hell out of any CB that was over 6'2" due to the success Seattle had experienced.

There will always be a place in the league for guys with good pocket presence that can function under pressure, have good ball placement, especially on deep throws and can be given the keys to an offense and trusted to make the right decisions. They might not make the splashy Mahomes throws but they'll make the plays needed to consistently win games.

The difference is the rules have changed. The game has changed overall. It's like back in the day you needed a 7 footer in the NBA to win, now it's all about PGs and shooting.

All the best athletes coming up through HS are playing QB now. Like Steve Young said, there's free yards out there for QBs now. You're gonna get like 3 extra 1st downs a game just by scrambling. If a DB breaths on a WR it's a PI now. I feel like the odds of making a completion or getting a PI call on a pass 20+ yards downfield is greater than ever.

Why aren't we taking advantage of any of this?

It's not even about "splashy plays" it's about taking advantage of the rules now. s**t we see mobile QBs run all over the place on us. We see PIs thrown against us all the time. Let's even that s**t out.

I see no problem with having both. Mobile enough QB to get those free yards and extend plays. Having a QB that can also play within the pocket and who has the arm strength to let it rip with the opportunity is there.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I'd say that's mostly fair. The one difference seem to be deep accuracy/ball placement. Jimmy completes a high percentage of passes, but he doesn't throw a good deep ball. I rarely see him execute the fade either.

What happened to Jimmy? This wasn't him coming out of college. Jimmy was super aggressive in college. He broke a bunch of passing records at Eastern Illinois(some held by Tony Romo). He had a very nice deep ball coming out--fades all day. I loved everything about Jimmy as a prospect. He played so quick, his release was blazing fast and he was a gunslinger. What happened to that Jimmy?

I commented on this video some time back. He still slings it at times, but he knows he can't get away with as much as he did in college, especially at that level of competition. He's a mismatch utilizer and I don't know that we've had many established bonafide mismatches aside from Kittle, who we know he force feeds the ball to our detriment sometimes.

Overall I don't think it's any one reason.. I think it's a combination of things. Jimmy could possibly be one of those late breakout guys, but he doesn't seem to have adjusted to the NFL to the point where he's able to 1-to-1 replicate his college level.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think he's hyped on here because most people have accepted this is the type of QB that Kyle wants. There's nothing sexy or fun about Mac Jones.

Winning games is sexy. He does a lot of what you need to win games.

Because of Mahomes, everything has just kind of fallen on its head. Now the latest fad is a QB that can run around and throw it a mile. That will burn itself out sooner rather than later as there is no one else like Mahomes and only so many guys with supreme arm talent that can actually quarterback at an NFL level. Its like the BIG CB fad from a few years back when teams were overdrafting the hell out of any CB that was over 6'2" due to the success Seattle had experienced.

There will always be a place in the league for guys with good pocket presence that can function under pressure, have good ball placement, especially on deep throws and can be given the keys to an offense and trusted to make the right decisions. They might not make the splashy Mahomes throws but they'll make the plays needed to consistently win games.

I think its more than just Mahomes. Its Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Allen, Murray, and Jackson. We see those mobile QBs who can make plays when things break down and drool over having someone like that. They can all make up for a mediocre OL such as the Niners have. Montana and Young were incredible accurate passers but it was their ability to improvise and make plays that made them special. It would be great to have that again.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I think its more than just Mahomes. Its Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Allen, Murray, and Jackson. We see those mobile QBs who can make plays when things break down and drool over having someone like that. They can all make up for a mediocre OL such as the Niners have. Montana and Young were incredible accurate passers but it was their ability to improvise and make plays that made them special. It would be great to have that again.

None of that is new., The 49ers had a guy like that in Kaepernick, the problem is that often, those types of passers are easily shutdown once you take away their running lanes. History tells us that these types of QBs will either have to progress as pocket passers or rapidly fall off as defenses start daring them to throw the football. Jackson isn't playing anywhere near the level he was at last year. People went from talking about Greg Roman as a potential HC candidate to more "fire the bum" rhetoric due to the struggles of the offense which all start with the QB. Defenses have started adjusting to Jackson, selling out to stop him from running and he hasn't looked the same.

Murray has struggled when teams have taken away his ability to run. I watched Bill Belichick shutdown Murray simply by stopping him from running. Teams that can keep him in the pocket have exposed a lack of patience and overall comfort sitting back there and throwing.

Mahomes and Wilson are in their own separate category. Mahomes isn't a running QB to start with, just a pocket passer that can move and the numbers back it up. He's been elite throwing from the pocket and pretty much everywhere else. Like I said, there's just one Pat Mahomes. Wilson has conclusively proven that he can sit back and pick a defense apart when they limit his ability to run. He's the closest thing to Steve Young in terms of a guy who can run and pass and beat you with both his arm and his feet equally well.

Everyone still has to prove that they can win from the pocket when they need to. No matter how dynamic or explosive a player might be, NFL defenses are too talented, too athletic and too smart to not adjust. In the end it still comes down to, can you drop back and throw the ball accurately from Point A to Point B and do it consistently enough that defenses will have to respect your ability to do so?