Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Nice.

Jones is deceptively athletic. You can see that on tape. So, not surprised with these numbers.

Overall, I like what I saw from him today. Nothing changed.

Can he throw outside the hash marks?

Sure.

If you get like the fifth best quarterback in the draft pick 12 I don't think that's very good value. I don't even think he's the fifth best quarterback. And as much as I don't like Jimmy he's not the one that I think is going to save our future so I can't imagine getting him at 12. Personally I'd rather get something that's going to make an instant impact they want at any position over picking Mac Jones at 12. I'd also rather get MOND at the end of the first round early second. I think he's better value

It's an unpopular opinion in here, but I'm hoping we trade up and grab Mac. UNLESS Lynch and Shanny are all-in on Watson, which then I'd just take BPA or trade down for more draft picks to put us in a better position to acquire him or have some great weapons on the team when he gets cleared of this whole mess. I'm drooling at the thought of Watson getting traded here after the draft and we already have Pitts/Chase/Smith/Waddle/Slater at #12.

Back to Mac, if Watson isn't the guy for whatever reason, let Mac and Jimmy battle for starter and I'm expecting Jimmy to win, but then that allows us to build back up his trade value and move him at the end of the season if he plays well. Might be able to even get a 1st in 2022 if he does really well. Mac gets a year to sit and learn this complicated offense and we'd have a legit backup if Jimmy can't stay healthy, which would be great since I think Fields goes top 5 and Lance is too raw to start any games if Jimmy went down in Lance's rookie season.

Originally posted by krizay:
He's not a perfect prospect. He doesn't play like Baker but he obviously is athletic/mobile enough as a Baker.

Not a statue as your constant narrative suggested.

Your dislike for McCorkle (which everytime you use that makes you sound like a class clown trying to get the cool kids to laugh) is beyond comical at this point.

You're trying to prop him up into something he's not is just as comical. Mayfield isn't athletic and his numbers back it up. You could say Jones had the same numbers as Flacco all the same, but that wouldn't fit your narrative

And now you're getting all sensitive over his name, my god relax lol

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No jersey's I gave up on those after wasting money on aldon smith/alex smith/Bow and Kap lol.

only good ones I have left are Gore/Rice. I stick to the hoodies now

Gonna get you a signed wallsize poster of this photo.

Lol old buff nips

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
4.68 my ass lol....dude is a 4.8 all day at the combine. His numbers imo are identical to Jarrett Stidham

Well 4.8 will allow Mac Stidham to beat most edge rushers on a boot action play-pass. its better than 5.0 40 in my book.

yeah right...most NFL edges will eat him for breakfast, you're not running in a straight line. Just ask Jared Goff.

people bring up Mahomes and his 40, but his SS and 3-cone were elite at the QB position. Dude is far from stiff and slow.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No jersey's I gave up on those after wasting money on aldon smith/alex smith/Bow and Kap lol.

only good ones I have left are Gore/Rice. I stick to the hoodies now

Gonna get you a signed wallsize poster of this photo.

Lol old buff nips

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Sure.

look at that pass-pro

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You're trying to prop him up into something he's not is just as comical. Mayfield isn't athletic and his numbers back it up. You could say Jones had the same numbers as Flacco all the same, but that wouldn't fit your narrative

And now you're getting all sensitive over his name, my god relax lol

Again, comps are what they were coming out of college correct. So we agree that his numbers are comparable to Flacco and Mayfield.

Flacco

Measurables/Athleticism

Flacco has good size and, although he's not a running quarterback, entered the league with reasonably good athletic ability. Looking back at the 2008 combine data, Flacco posted good agility numbers and ran a 4.84 in the 40-yard dash

Mayfield (I already posted)

GRADE: 7.05 (Round 1)

PRO COMPARISON: Case Keenum, Denver Broncos

OVERALL

Mayfield is a polarizing prospect given his size and off-field issues, but he is also the most accurate passer in the draft and a natural playmaker with his legs. In the right scheme, he should be able to start early in his pro career.

Both considered athletic coming out of college with the same numbers as Mac.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You're trying to prop him up into something he's not is just as comical. Mayfield isn't athletic and his numbers back it up. You could say Jones had the same numbers as Flacco all the same, but that wouldn't fit your narrative

And now you're getting all sensitive over his name, my god relax lol

Again, comps are what they were coming out of college correct. So we agree that his numbers are comparable to Flacco and Mayfield.

Flacco

Measurables/Athleticism

Flacco has good size and, although he's not a running quarterback, entered the league with reasonably good athletic ability. Looking back at the 2008 combine data, Flacco posted good agility numbers and ran a 4.84 in the 40-yard dash

Mayfield (I already posted)

GRADE: 7.05 (Round 1)

PRO COMPARISON: Case Keenum, Denver Broncos

OVERALL

Mayfield is a polarizing prospect given his size and off-field issues, but he is also the most accurate passer in the draft and a natural playmaker with his legs. In the right scheme, he should be able to start early in his pro career.

Both considered athletic coming out of college with the same numbers as Mac.

https://relativeathleticscores.com/2019/12/21/baker-mayfield-ras/ dude was not athletic.

AND his 3-cone and SS where both better than Mac Jones, who's numbers were also at a pro-day not a combine.

You want to try to compare him to Joe Flacco as far as being an athlete, have at it...that's not the QB I'd be trying to comp him to though to prove he's athletic

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And yet they don't play the same on the field overall. Again Joe Flacco had better numbers...quit trying to make him something he's not. It's okay he's not very athletic and doesn't really make plays out of structure. It's not his game. He's not a perfect prospect.

He's not a perfect prospect. He doesn't play like Baker but he obviously is athletic/mobile enough as a Baker.

Not a statue as your constant narrative suggested.

Your dislike for McCorkle (which everytime you use that makes you sound like a class clown trying to get the cool kids to laugh) is beyond comical at this point.

This. During the season, it was "oh he's a statue and he moves around like hes stuck in the mud", but based off his performance during his pro day, he's got decent athleticism for a QB. He just never needed to show it in-game.

Originally posted by fan49:
If you get like the fifth best quarterback in the draft pick 12 I don't think that's very good value. I don't even think he's the fifth best quarterback. And as much as I don't like Jimmy he's not the one that I think is going to save our future so I can't imagine getting him at 12. Personally I'd rather get something that's going to make an instant impact they want at any position over picking Mac Jones at 12. I'd also rather get MOND at the end of the first round early second. I think he's better value

Mond in the 1st/2nd rounds is NOT good value.

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
This. During the season, it was "oh he's a statue and he moves around like hes stuck in the mud", but based off his performance during his pro day, he's got decent athleticism for a QB. He just never needed to show it in-game.

I'm not saying he's a statue...I'm saying ya'll are trying to paint a picture of him that isn't real. His lateral movement drill numbers were not good, and as you know they tend to puff up pro day numbers.

As far as overall athletic ability, I'd throw him on the same spectrum as Goff, Rosen, Peterman. He's not a statue, he's not gonna run zone reads or extend plays at will. He's not gonna dodge bltizers and be a problem on 3rd downs with his feet overall. If the pocket get's muddy quickly, I don't see him being able to escape and make something happen at the next level. just my opinion of course.

A 4.39 shuttle and 7.04 3-cone are not the numbers you want to see if someone is trying to prove his athletic. That's where someone like Mahomes showed how athletic he actually is.

End of the day his role is to beat you within the structure of the offense inside the pocket. That's where he wins and at this point is better than most in this draft. He's got good footwork within the pocket, clean mechanics overall, and the ability to process quickly. See look at that, I can say some good stuff about him without going overboard either way

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Mond in the 1st/2nd rounds is NOT good value.

agreed, I have a fear that is the direction they're gonna go though

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm not saying he's a statue...I'm saying ya'll are trying to paint a picture of him that isn't real. His lateral movement drill numbers were not good, and as you know they tend to puff up pro day numbers.

As far as overall athletic ability, I'd throw him on the same spectrum as Goff, Rosen, Peterman. He's not a statue, he's not gonna run zone reads or extend plays at will. He's not gonna dodge bltizers and be a problem on 3rd downs with his feet overall. If the pocket get's muddy quickly, I don't see him being able to escape and make something happen at the next level. just my opinion of course.

A 4.39 shuttle and 7.04 3-cone are not the numbers you want to see if someone is trying to prove his athletic. That's where someone like Mahomes showed how athletic he actually is.

End of the day his role is to beat you within the structure of the offense inside the pocket. That's where he wins and at this point is better than most in this draft. He's got good footwork within the pocket, clean mechanics overall, and the ability to process quickly. See look at that, I can say some good stuff about him without going overboard either way