Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Jimmy has simply been broken by "poor" pass protection. Whether the protection has actually been poor or if struggled to read the field quick enough is a different debate.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Jimmy has simply been broken by "poor" pass protection. Whether the protection has actually been poor or if struggled to read the field quick enough is a different debate.

I feel like the ACL injury really threw him off. He hasn't looked the same since.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I think its more than just Mahomes. Its Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Allen, Murray, and Jackson. We see those mobile QBs who can make plays when things break down and drool over having someone like that. They can all make up for a mediocre OL such as the Niners have. Montana and Young were incredible accurate passers but it was their ability to improvise and make plays that made them special. It would be great to have that again.

None of that is new., The 49ers had a guy like that in Kaepernick, the problem is that often, those types of passers are easily shutdown once you take away their running lanes. History tells us that these types of QBs will either have to progress as pocket passers or rapidly fall off as defenses start daring them to throw the football. Jackson isn't playing anywhere near the level he was at last year. People went from talking about Greg Roman as a potential HC candidate to more "fire the bum" rhetoric due to the struggles of the offense which all start with the QB. Defenses have started adjusting to Jackson, selling out to stop him from running and he hasn't looked the same.

Murray has struggled when teams have taken away his ability to run. I watched Bill Belichick shutdown Murray simply by stopping him from running. Teams that can keep him in the pocket have exposed a lack of patience and overall comfort sitting back there and throwing.

Mahomes and Wilson are in their own separate category. Mahomes isn't a running QB to start with, just a pocket passer that can move and the numbers back it up. He's been elite throwing from the pocket and pretty much everywhere else. Like I said, there's just one Pat Mahomes. Wilson has conclusively proven that he can sit back and pick a defense apart when they limit his ability to run. He's the closest thing to Steve Young in terms of a guy who can run and pass and beat you with both his arm and his feet equally well.

Everyone still has to prove that they can win from the pocket when they need to. No matter how dynamic or explosive a player might be, NFL defenses are too talented, too athletic and too smart to not adjust. In the end it still comes down to, can you drop back and throw the ball accurately from Point A to Point B and do it consistently enough that defenses will have to respect your ability to do so?

100% agreed with everything Phoenix is preaching right now. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Lance, Mac, Trask....all intriguing prospects that have their qualities that make them great, but it's not just a "mobile with a cannon arm" we gotta look for. If Mac continues to prove that he can pick these defenses apart in the pocket, then give him the credit he deserves. He has shown that he can buy himself some time in the pocket when he's feeling the pressure, but when he slings it, it's pinpoint accurate.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
I just don't get the hype for Mac Jones. The stats for this year are impressive, but is he really a first round prospect from a tools standpoint? I would love for the Niners to get one of the 4 top rated QB's in the first round, but don't think Jones is in that same class. Am I wrong?

I don't see it as there being a ton of hype for Jones, just that he's a solid looking QB prospect. Is he a Top 5 pick guy? Hell no. Right now I think a reasonable range for him is mid 2nd round. He doesn't have a cannon arm, he's not some tremendous athlete but there is a lot to like about him.

The guy has had to step into some big shoes with Tua getting injured and then leaving for the NFL. He also had a lot of Bama fans rooting against him, rooting for Bryce Young, the star recruit who himself has the makings of a top future draft pick. Jones ignored all the noise and simply went out and did his thing and right now their offense is performing at an even higher level than it did last year despite the loss of highly talented players like Tua, Ruggs, Jeudy, Wills and others.

He's surrounded by a lot of talent but he's still the guy pulling the trigger and making plays happen, getting the ball out quickly and accurately while having one of the best deep balls in college football despite not being a guy with a massive arm. He's shown the ability to hang in and make players under pressure and put his playmakers in the best position to go and pick up huge yards after the catch. I'm mostly interested in how he'll do from the SEC Championship game onwards. Thus far all of this may as well have been preseason, once we get to the playoffs, if he can perform well at the highest level, then I think we start talking about him as a potential 1st rounder.

If he balls out like crazy and Alabama wins a national championship, more teams are going to overlook him not being some Madden Create-A-Player type freak when he's someone that just finds ways to win. So time will tell on that but there is the opportunity for him to move up quite a ways if he continues his run of excellent play.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Totally agree. And the bolded is exactly what I mean by not sexy.

Winning is winning and doesn't always have to be sexy.

Well if winning is winning then we're set with Jimmy G for the next 10 yrs

Amirite

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well if winning is winning then we're set with Jimmy G for the next 10 yrs

Amirite

The problem with Jimmy is he can't stay healthy. If he never missed a game, I'd be fine with him.

Niners are in position to keep Jimmy and bring in a higher quality backup for development. I prefer to draft one due to cap reasons

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Using that logic, why not trade up for Trevor Lawrence? He's the top prospect right? Go big or go home!

Ohhhh I knew you were gonna ask that

Because the Jets aren't moving off Lawrence...true generational QB and a team that hasn't had good Qb play in decades.

I'd at least call to see if it's a possibility.

Why not? Just make them an offer they can't refuse.

the Jets will ask of the impossible... even if they are in love with Darnold, to get to Trevor, I'm expecting the JETS to ask for our 1st, our 2nd, another 2nd, and two out of the three (Bosa - Warner - Kittle)..

Sounds too much for the 49ers to give, but if YOU. were running the JETS wouldn't you ask for all those??

Dude give it a rest! Jets for 1 are not passing on taking Lawrence and most importantly 2 were not trading either 3 of those guys. You really have no idea the impact not only they make on the field but in the locker room, plus you don't realize how hard it is to find all pro edge, LB and TE and the fact we found them in the 3rd and 5th.

read your post again...

here, let me help you... we found Warner and Kittles in the 3rd and 5th.. .that means, they can be found again.. not easily but easier then finding another Trevor... again, you may have to wait til 2025 to have a chance on ARCH..

then, if Miami last year was offering three number 1s, plus some, how much do YOU think the Jets will ask for Trevor..

again, you all are bashing me for having this idea, but you all won't even POST your ideas of how much you'd ask for if you were the JETS...

FINALLY, Oakland traded probably Mack (an edge player) who really was better than Bosa, do you think they are missing him now and was it worth it??

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

I feel like the ACL injury really threw him off. He hasn't looked the same since.

Been beating this drum for a while now.

Seems to me it's either that, or they got more film on him and adjusted defensively. Either way, he's never really looked the same.

My layman's take anyway. It'd be interesting to hear some analysis from the film gurus on those few pre-acl games. Accuracy, types of throws, reads, etc.

Originally posted by 9moon:

FINALLY, Oakland traded probably Mack (an edge player) who really was better than Bosa, do you think they are missing him now and was it worth it??

Raiders traded Khalil Mack because of Gruden's ego, not because they were acquiring something they needed. Mack said he never spoke to Gruden and was traded without ever receiving an offer from the team. In fact, Gruden didn't even trade Khalil Mack to the team that gave them the best offer, which was US.

So, I don't think that's a good comparison.

Originally posted by 9moon:

read your post again...

here, let me help you... we found Warner and Kittles in the 3rd and 5th.. .that means, they can be found again.. not easily but easier then finding another Trevor... again, you may have to wait til 2025 to have a chance on ARCH..

then, if Miami last year was offering three number 1s, plus some, how much do YOU think the Jets will ask for Trevor..

again, you all are bashing me for having this idea, but you all won't even POST your ideas of how much you'd ask for if you were the JETS...

FINALLY, Oakland traded probably Mack (an edge player) who really was better than Bosa, do you think they are missing him now and was it worth it??

Dude, this is the Mac Jones thread. Take your five drinks in at the bar trade scenarios elsewhere.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Dude, this is the Mac Jones thread. Take your five drinks in at the bar trade scenarios elsewhere.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Well if winning is winning then we're set with Jimmy G for the next 10 yrs

Amirite

The problem with Jimmy is he can't stay healthy. If he never missed a game, I'd be fine with him.

The more he plays the less, I agree with that.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Dude, this is the Mac Jones thread. Take your five drinks in at the bar trade scenarios elsewhere.

HAHA

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9moon:
read your post again...

here, let me help you... we found Warner and Kittles in the 3rd and 5th.. .that means, they can be found again.. not easily but easier then finding another Trevor... again, you may have to wait til 2025 to have a chance on ARCH..

then, if Miami last year was offering three number 1s, plus some, how much do YOU think the Jets will ask for Trevor..

again, you all are bashing me for having this idea, but you all won't even POST your ideas of how much you'd ask for if you were the JETS...

FINALLY, Oakland traded probably Mack (an edge player) who really was better than Bosa, do you think they are missing him now and was it worth it??

Dude, this is the Mac Jones thread. Take your five drinks in at the bar trade scenarios elsewhere.

that's the best you can come up with?