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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Mond in the 1st/2nd rounds is NOT good value.
agreed, I have a fear that is the direction they're gonna go though
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
4.68 my ass lol....dude is a 4.8 all day at the combine. His numbers imo are identical to Jarrett Stidham
Well 4.8 will allow Mac Stidham to beat most edge rushers on a boot action play-pass.its better than 5.0 40 in my book.
yeah right...most NFL edges will eat him for breakfast, you're not running in a straight line. Just ask Jared Goff.
people bring up Mahomes and his 40, but his SS and 3-cone were elite at the QB position. Dude is far from stiff and slow.
Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Mond in the 1st/2nd rounds is NOT good value.
agreed, I have a fear that is the direction they're gonna go though
I honestly don't see a lot of ways they can f**k up this draft. Regardless of trading or staying put, Fields/Lance/Mac/Slater/Ojulari/Surtain/Horn/VeraTucker/Pitts are who I can see being an option for the 49ers in the 1st. I can see Mills being valued over Mond.
Mond in the 1st would be a way to f**k up the draft.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Well like you said, its really hard to project college QBs, there's more misses than hits. You have a valid point about choosing the most athletic QB with the best arm, since the intangible side of the position is so hard to assess.
Still I think picking Mac vs any of the other top 5 QBs is a huge guessing game, and your guess is as good as anybody else's. Conversely its also as bad as anybody else's.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Mond in the 1st/2nd rounds is NOT good value.
agreed, I have a fear that is the direction they're gonna go though
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Well like you said, its really hard to project college QBs, there's more misses than hits. You have a valid point about choosing the most athletic QB with the best arm, since the intangible side of the position is so hard to assess.
Still I think picking Mac vs any of the other top 5 QBs is a huge guessing game, and your guess is as good as anybody else's. Conversely its also as bad as anybody else's.
Yup...it really is a crapshoot. I think taking a guy with those intangible traits with the roster and coaching staff we have helps a ton though.
We will see! I'm sure we pass on QB all together...or draft some joe blow in the mid rds and are talking about QBs in 2022 all the same
Chris Simms: "I think the negatives that people are trying to talk about with Mac Jones are phantom bull crap. It's over analyzation. His feet are phenomenal. The throwing is flawless. People miss on evaluations because they become biased with things that don't matter."
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What a savage.
Chris Simms: "I think the negatives that people are trying to talk about with Mac Jones are phantom bull crap. It's over analyzation. His feet are phenomenal. The throwing is flawless. People miss on evaluations because they become biased with things that don't matter."
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What a savage.
Chris Simms: "I think the negatives that people are trying to talk about with Mac Jones are phantom bull crap. It's over analyzation. His feet are phenomenal. The throwing is flawless. People miss on evaluations because they become biased with things that don't matter."
Imagine thinking Mac Jones' throwing is flawless.
Must be smoking some of the good stuff.
It surprises me, he's normally very much into arm strength. He's definitely posturing to double down on his opinion, there's nothing wrong with saying that it's good enough, but the emotions come in and you say things like flawless, absolute BS.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What a savage.
Chris Simms: "I think the negatives that people are trying to talk about with Mac Jones are phantom bull crap. It's over analyzation. His feet are phenomenal. The throwing is flawless. People miss on evaluations because they become biased with things that don't matter."
Originally posted by Bloodless:
People are so underrating Mac Jones right now. When you watch his tape of this past season, I don't get what there is not to like about him. He is accurate, can throw the deep ball, Has incredible footwork, Has great pocket awareness, can go through his progressions, and makes good decisions with the football. I feel like analysts are underrating him for two reasons.
1). There was the belief coming into this season for Alabama that he was average and a downgrade from Tua. When he started lighting it up this turned into , he only looks this good because of those WRs. This perception carried on way to long into the season and for some it still continues to this day.
2). Analysts/scouts are currently way over rating having elite Arm strength/ball velocity and the ability to run with the football. Both of which Mac Jones is better at then people give him credit for .It is why to this day people are still singing praise for Sam Darnold, even though he has been terrible. Remember Deshaun Watson's big criticism when he was being drafted was his ball velocity. People are now overrating players who have elite levels of these qualities and underrating players who do not have elite levels of these qualities. Again, Mac Jones is a way better Athlete then people give him credit for and has way more then enough Arm strength to be successful at the NFL level.
I have said it before but If 49ers were able to land a QB prospect at the level of Mac Jones at #12 it will be an absolute steal.
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What a savage.
Chris Simms: "I think the negatives that people are trying to talk about with Mac Jones are phantom bull crap. It's over analyzation. His feet are phenomenal. The throwing is flawless. People miss on evaluations because they become biased with things that don't matter."
People are so underrating Mac Jones right now. When you watch his tape of this past season, I don't get what there is not to like about him. He is accurate, can throw the deep ball, Has incredible footwork, Has great pocket awareness, can go through his progressions, and makes good decisions with the football. I feel like analysts are underrating him for two reasons.
1). There was the belief coming into this season for Alabama that he was average and a downgrade from Tua. When he started lighting it up this turned into , he only looks this good because of those WRs. This perception carried on way to long into the season and for some it still continues to this day.
2). Analysts/scouts are currently way over rating having elite Arm strength/ball velocity and the ability to run with the football. Both of which Mac Jones is better at then people give him credit for .It is why to this day people are still singing praise for Sam Darnold, even though he has been terrible. Remember Deshaun Watson's big criticism when he was being drafted was his ball velocity. People are now overrating players who have elite levels of these qualities and underrating players who do not have elite levels of these qualities. Again, Mac Jones is a way better Athlete then people give him credit for and has way more then enough Arm strength to be successful at the NFL level.
I have said it before but If 49ers were able to land a QB prospect at the level of Mac Jones at #12 it will be an absolute steal.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What a savage.
Chris Simms: "I think the negatives that people are trying to talk about with Mac Jones are phantom bull crap. It's over analyzation. His feet are phenomenal. The throwing is flawless. People miss on evaluations because they become biased with things that don't matter."
Imagine thinking Mac Jones' throwing is flawless.
Must be smoking some of the good stuff.
It surprises me, he's normally very much into arm strength. He's definitely posturing to double down on his opinion, there's nothing wrong with saying that it's good enough, but the emotions come in and you say things like flawless, absolute BS.
Originally posted by Bloodless:
People are so underrating Mac Jones right now. When you watch his tape of this past season, I don't get what there is not to like about him. He is accurate, can throw the deep ball, Has incredible footwork, Has great pocket awareness, can go through his progressions, and makes good decisions with the football. I feel like analysts are underrating him for two reasons.
1). There was the belief coming into this season for Alabama that he was average and a downgrade from Tua. When he started lighting it up this turned into , he only looks this good because of those WRs. This perception carried on way to long into the season and for some it still continues to this day.
2). Analysts/scouts are currently way over rating having elite Arm strength/ball velocity and the ability to run with the football. Both of which Mac Jones is better at then people give him credit for .It is why to this day people are still singing praise for Sam Darnold, even though he has been terrible. Remember Deshaun Watson's big criticism when he was being drafted was his ball velocity. People are now overrating players who have elite levels of these qualities and underrating players who do not have elite levels of these qualities. Again, Mac Jones is a way better Athlete then people give him credit for and has way more then enough Arm strength to be successful at the NFL level.
I have said it before but If 49ers were able to land a QB prospect at the level of Mac Jones at #12 it will be an absolute steal.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Nah people are overrating Mac Jones.
if ball velocity/athletic ability/extending plays and having those god given traits didn't matter then Mahomes/allen/herbert etc wouldn't have been top 10 picks... those things matter.
im sorry wut with Sam Darnold? He doesn't have some cannon or elite athletic ability. That's simply not true at all....poor example. Name me a QB with Jones' same attributes (how he wins) drafted in the past five yrs that's been successful? There isn't any.
yes let's talk about Watson...go look at some of his OTHER weaknesses.
-doesn't go through progressions
-not accurate overall
-one read then runs
-TO machine
-can't read coverages
-stare down his primary read
-needs better footwork
Hmmm, wild he learned how to read coverages, learned the nuances of playing QB from the neck up AND still had that athletic traits to extend plays when he had too...turned into a top 5 QB. Weird how that works.
look if you think we don't have the coaching staff to teach a high trait QB, who already has a good base and understanding of football then go get Mac...and probably fire your coaching staff....If you don't think we have a roster built to support a top end QB for a yr until Kyle can get him fully adjusted and don't have a starting QB on the roster...go get Jones, not the case here. It's about upgrading from Jimmy G, not maintaining the status quo.
QBs picked in the 1st should be a long-term investments...it shouldn't just be about what they can do right now, but what they can ultimately become.
