Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
People are so underrating Mac Jones right now. When you watch his tape of this past season, I don't get what there is not to like about him. He is accurate, can throw the deep ball, Has incredible footwork, Has great pocket awareness, can go through his progressions, and makes good decisions with the football. I feel like analysts are underrating him for two reasons.
1). There was the belief coming into this season for Alabama that he was average and a downgrade from Tua. When he started lighting it up this turned into , he only looks this good because of those WRs. This perception carried on way to long into the season and for some it still continues to this day.
2). Analysts/scouts are currently way over rating having elite Arm strength/ball velocity and the ability to run with the football. Both of which Mac Jones is better at then people give him credit for .It is why to this day people are still singing praise for Sam Darnold, even though he has been terrible. Remember Deshaun Watson's big criticism when he was being drafted was his ball velocity. People are now overrating players who have elite levels of these qualities and underrating players who do not have elite levels of these qualities. Again, Mac Jones is a way better Athlete then people give him credit for and has way more then enough Arm strength to be successful at the NFL level.
I have said it before but If 49ers were able to land a QB prospect at the level of Mac Jones at #12 it will be an absolute steal.
Nah people are overrating Mac Jones.
if ball velocity/athletic ability/extending plays and having those god given traits didn't matter then Mahomes/allen/herbert etc wouldn't have been top 10 picks... those things matter.
im sorry wut with Sam Darnold? He doesn't have some cannon or elite athletic ability. That's simply not true at all....poor example. Name me a QB with Jones' same attributes (how he wins) drafted in the past five yrs that's been successful? There isn't any.
yes let's talk about Watson...go look at some of his OTHER weaknesses.
-doesn't go through progressions
-not accurate overall
-one read then runs
-TO machine
-can't read coverages
-stare down his primary read
-needs better footwork
Hmmm, wild he learned how to read coverages, learned the nuances of playing QB from the neck up AND still had that athletic traits to extend plays when he had too...turned into a top 5 QB. Weird how that works.
look if you think we don't have the coaching staff to teach a high trait QB, who already has a good base and understanding of football then go get Mac...and probably fire your coaching staff....If you don't think we have a roster built to support a top end QB for a yr until Kyle can get him fully adjusted and don't have a starting QB on the roster...go get Jones, not the case here. It's about upgrading from Jimmy G, not maintaining the status quo.
QBs picked in the 1st should be a long-term investments...it shouldn't just be about what they can do right now, but what they can ultimately become.
You are right that mobile QBs have had the success coming out of the draft recently while the pure pocket passers have not. I will give you that. But I think that is why people are underrating Mac. Also, most of those Qbs other then Jamis Winston did not have success at the college level while Mac has. When you watch Macs tape this past year. There is nothing not to like other then the fact that he is not super athletic and doesn't run with the football. I don't like the mindset of Mobile Qb Vs pure pocket passer. I see an elite QB that is what I want. I personally think he is an elite talent. You might not but that is alright. But lets not pretend pure pocket passers who don't have elite athletic ability don't have success in the NFL. The last 20 Superbowl champions. 17 of the 20 of those QBs were pure pocket passers. all of which that I am mentioning had way less athletic ability then Mac Jones.
Darnold is a good example. All people did was praise him for his Arm talent and ability to roll out with his legs. Because of this they overlooked the fact that he cant read defenses and make sound decisions with the ball.
Watsons biggest criticism was his arm strength/ arm talent. I do remember that. That is why I mentioned it because clearly he does have the arm strength for the NFL level.
I am not saying we cannot coach up up a player with Athletic traits and elite arm talent. But it can be very hard to teach some of the skill sets that Mac already posses.It can also be harder sometimes to teach those skill sets like footwork to a Mobile QB because they have a tendency to bail out of a pocket instead of move from within it. No, Mac Jones will never be Mahomes but he can be Matt Ryan and Dare I say you never know he could be the next Tom Brady.
I agree Qbs should be a long term investment. Based off that logic pocket passers probably have a longer shelf life. But again I am not against mobile Qbs either.
