Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Is Mac Jones worth a top 5 pick? Sure, maybe.

Is the NFL likely to be higher on Mac Jones than the media or you and I? Sure, probably.

But contrary to Simms point, I can't imagine the NFL thinking Mac Jones is worth 3 first round picks, prioritizing his "readiness right now" over the tools of a project.

This is true, but there is a lot of reason to believe Shanahan would do it. First of all, trading all that capital means what you're risking is much, much higher. Shanahan has commented in the past about part of why he didn't take Mahomes is the high risk of a 1st round pick on a QB, because you never know if they'll handle the less tangible aspects of the position. So who is the universally labeled "high-floor" guy? Who is the one least likely to be a bust?

It's Jones.

Add to that the obvious Shanahan QB archetype fit and it makes a lot of sense.

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
If they trade Jimmy before the draft, they're taking Mac.

Another scenario I had in mind is that they trade Garoppolo and then trade for Minshew and have him be the bridge QB for a year while drafting whomever. Save a ton of money at QB right away.

Great plan

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Is Mac Jones worth a top 5 pick? Sure, maybe.

Is the NFL likely to be higher on Mac Jones than the media or you and I? Sure, probably.

But contrary to Simms point, I can't imagine the NFL thinking Mac Jones is worth 3 first round picks, prioritizing his "readiness right now" over the tools of a project.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Is Mac Jones worth a top 5 pick? Sure, maybe.

Is the NFL likely to be higher on Mac Jones than the media or you and I? Sure, probably.

But contrary to Simms point, I can't imagine the NFL thinking Mac Jones is worth 3 first round picks, prioritizing his "readiness right now" over the tools of a project.

This is true, but there is a lot of reason to believe Shanahan would do it. First of all, trading all that capital means what you're risking is much, much higher. Shanahan has commented in the past about part of why he didn't take Mahomes is the high risk of a 1st round pick on a QB, because you never know if they'll handle the less tangible aspects of the position. So who is the universally labeled "high-floor" guy? Who is the one least likely to be a bust?

It's Jones.

Add to that the obvious Shanahan QB archetype fit and it makes a lot of sense.

You don't NEED to move up to 3 to get Jones.

You move to 3 because you have three guys you want AND think there's a chance none of them are available if you don't t get that high.

Lawrence
Wilson
Fields

One of those three and probably in that order if more than 1 is available at the pick.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Is Mac Jones worth a top 5 pick? Sure, maybe.

Is the NFL likely to be higher on Mac Jones than the media or you and I? Sure, probably.

But contrary to Simms point, I can't imagine the NFL thinking Mac Jones is worth 3 first round picks, prioritizing his "readiness right now" over the tools of a project.

This is true, but there is a lot of reason to believe Shanahan would do it. First of all, trading all that capital means what you're risking is much, much higher. Shanahan has commented in the past about part of why he didn't take Mahomes is the high risk of a 1st round pick on a QB, because you never know if they'll handle the less tangible aspects of the position. So who is the universally labeled "high-floor" guy? Who is the one least likely to be a bust?

It's Jones.

Add to that the obvious Shanahan QB archetype fit and it makes a lot of sense.

You don't NEED to move up to 3 to get Jones.

You move to 3 because you have three guys you want AND think there's a chance none of them are available if you don't t get that high.

Lawrence
Wilson
Fields

One of those three and probably in that order if more than 1 is available at the pick.

There is one other possibility: Lynch tried to move to #5 but Cincy wasn't moving and the Eagles want a better QB as well. Atlanta at #4 is going to grab Ryan's replacement. Carolina and Denver would also take a QB if a decent value is there. Hence, #3 was the only slot open to moving up.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Is Mac Jones worth a top 5 pick? Sure, maybe.

Is the NFL likely to be higher on Mac Jones than the media or you and I? Sure, probably.

But contrary to Simms point, I can't imagine the NFL thinking Mac Jones is worth 3 first round picks, prioritizing his "readiness right now" over the tools of a project.

This is true, but there is a lot of reason to believe Shanahan would do it. First of all, trading all that capital means what you're risking is much, much higher. Shanahan has commented in the past about part of why he didn't take Mahomes is the high risk of a 1st round pick on a QB, because you never know if they'll handle the less tangible aspects of the position. So who is the universally labeled "high-floor" guy? Who is the one least likely to be a bust?

It's Jones.

Add to that the obvious Shanahan QB archetype fit and it makes a lot of sense.

You don't NEED to move up to 3 to get Jones.

You move to 3 because you have three guys you want AND think there's a chance none of them are available if you don't t get that high.

Lawrence
Wilson
Fields

One of those three and probably in that order if more than 1 is available at the pick.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
If they trade Jimmy before the draft, they're taking Mac.

Another scenario I had in mind is that they trade Garoppolo and then trade for Minshew and have him be the bridge QB for a year while drafting whomever. Save a ton of money at QB right away.

Great plan

Agreed.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
You don't NEED to move up to 3 to get Jones.

You move to 3 because you have three guys you want AND think there's a chance none of them are available if you don't t get that high.

Lawrence
Wilson
Fields

One of those three and probably in that order if more than 1 is available at the pick.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
If they trade Jimmy before the draft, they're taking Mac.

Another scenario I had in mind is that they trade Garoppolo and then trade for Minshew and have him be the bridge QB for a year while drafting whomever. Save a ton of money at QB right away.

Great plan

Agreed.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
If they trade Jimmy before the draft, they're taking Mac.

Another scenario I had in mind is that they trade Garoppolo and then trade for Minshew and have him be the bridge QB for a year while drafting whomever. Save a ton of money at QB right away.

Great plan

Agreed.

What money do we need to save right away? We have signed all the major free agents we needed to for 2021. And we still have money available even without additional restructures or extensions. Jimmy is our QB for 2021. After 2021, I give him a 10% chance of remaining with the team which essentially means he either had an all pro year or he contributed gigantically to us winning the Super Bowl.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
What money do we need to save right away? We have signed all the major free agents we needed to for 2021. And we still have money available even without additional restructures or extensions. Jimmy is our QB for 2021. After 2021, I give him a 10% chance of remaining with the team which essentially means he either had an all pro year or he contributed gigantically to us winning the Super Bowl.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
What money do we need to save right away? We have signed all the major free agents we needed to for 2021. And we still have money available even without additional restructures or extensions. Jimmy is our QB for 2021. After 2021, I give him a 10% chance of remaining with the team which essentially means he either had an all pro year or he contributed gigantically to us winning the Super Bowl.

With rollover, you don't need to use that cap space immediately. Money saved this year is more money that you can spend next year.

Originally posted by dj43:
There is one other possibility: Lynch tried to move to #5 but Cincy wasn't moving and the Eagles want a better QB as well. Atlanta at #4 is going to grab Ryan's replacement. Carolina and Denver would also take a QB if a decent value is there. Hence, #3 was the only slot open to moving up.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
What money do we need to save right away? We have signed all the major free agents we needed to for 2021. And we still have money available even without additional restructures or extensions. Jimmy is our QB for 2021. After 2021, I give him a 10% chance of remaining with the team which essentially means he either had an all pro year or he contributed gigantically to us winning the Super Bowl.

With rollover, you don't need to use that cap space immediately. Money saved this year is more money that you can spend next year.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I can't believe anyone seriously thinks we did this for Mac Jones

I'm one of the biggest Mac Jones supporters and this deal wasn't for Jones. We just saw Miami give up less to get back to #6, and if we wanted Jones, that's the deal we would've done to secure him. This deal we made was a homerun swing and we're targeting Wilson and have a deal with the Jets already worked out if we promised them we could move up from #12.