Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Best get used to it tbh

That's a RZ pick in the NFL

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Jones wont be playing QB here.

Nope, lock this b***h up lol

Exactly!

Damn right!

Send him to the Seahawks after Russell Wilson is traded.

The dude will get pancaked by Bosa!

Lol you guys got to come to terms with this.

Alt angle:

I have.

Shanny has finally decided to go mobile with the quarterback position. Our offense is going to be awesome and even more dynamic than before!!

That ain't going to be Mac Jones.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
The 2 guys that fit Shanahan's system the best are Zach Wilson and Mac Jones. Today the 49ers guaranteed that they'll get one of them. If Shanny hits us with a curveball and selects Fields or Lance, I'm still going to give him my full support because it means he's continuing to evolve as an offensive mastermind. This team has earned our trust.

Wilson yes, disagree on Jones. He played almost exclusively from the gun and ran RPOS. Fields and Lance played under center a lot and ran the bootleg often.

On what planet would you want Mac Jones running a PA Boot offense?!

RPO Gun/Heavy at Alabama, not sure I think SF is right fit even though both are run-first schemes https://t.co/Xyl7alJzhR

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) March 26, 2021

The other 3 all rock PA like Kyle wants...anyone thinking it's easy to play under center and turn your back is lying too.

Wilson, Fields, Lance all experienced operating from under center, turning back to defense. Efficient ball handling, burying fakes. Snaps head around. Can throw on run for full boot/sprint. Strong arms.

Trevor Lawrence and Mac Jones much more often in shotgun with the RPO game pic.twitter.com/94t98wBF40

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) February 6, 2021

When I played football as QB in out of school leagues, boots were remarkably easy. I've said it before, but you don't have to read a defense when you do that. It's so much easier to run a boot — even with turning your back to the defense —, getting beyond the hash and throwing to a wide open guy than to stand in the pocket, find a passing lane, stay mindful of the linebackers, and simply throw a slant. It might be a bit of a chore to train someone who's never done it to learn, but there's nothing particularly difficult about it. You're not reading the defense the same way on a typical drop back. You're doing a sequential progression: a basic 1, 2, 3 progression. That is, "I look at 1, is he open? Yes? Throw. No? Move to 2," and so on. Drop back passing isn't always like that (and in the Pro's, it's not really like that much at all). Drop back passing requires pre-snap reading and post-snap reading, which determine the progression dynamically. This is not an issue with boots and play-action usually.

EDIT - Admittedly the footwork is tricky to learn though. We spent a disproportionate amount of time on that.

I do think, and I mean no disrespect, that some of this is wishful thinking. You already know I love Fields (from our Lance debates), so I'm not arguing against you because I'm some Jones lackey. But I just don't see Shanahan passing up on Jones. It's not about scheme, it's about how he throws, and his processing speed. It just seems inevitable.

I'll be the first to eat crow is Shanahan surprises me and goes for the weapon instead of the facilitator, but I don't think Shanahan is going to break his mold on this.

In fact, that he traded three picks only solidifies it for me: he saw a guy who is the exact clone of his QB ideal, and those come very rarely out of college, so he traded the farm. And what I mean by clone isn't that he runs or doesn't run under center plays. But rather his throwing motion, his upper body torque, his processing, that sort of thing. Jones fits the mold. Fields and Lance fit a different (arguably better) mold.

So I think the same stubbornness that made him pass on Mahomes is going to make him take Jones.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Best get used to it tbh

That's a RZ pick in the NFL

JTO said it was "Sunday open."

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
JTO said it was "Sunday open."

Just TurnOvers don't know s**t

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
JTO said it was "Sunday open."

Just TurnOvers don't know s**t

He knows more about quarterbacking than anyone here.

Not to mention, a number of NFL QBs have made similar throws. Notably, the elite ones.

He's gonna be the pick so everyone better get used to it

hope im wrong and we land Zach Wilson

Originally posted by ninerFate:
IMO as much as I understand Jones being a perfect "fit", if you're trading that much for a trade like this it has to be more than just the right fit. You very much have to consider who will higher potential/ceiling as well.

That's the thing, some people say Jones' ceiling is Matt Ryan. How is that not high potential/ceiling?

From what we know now, Jones has a better chance of being Matt Ryan than Fields or Lance has at being a QB better than Matt Ryan.

Zach Wilson as I've said for a while I'll concede doesn't have nearly as far to guy to be a QB better than Matt Ryan.

If you value the exceptional traits Mac does have. I think you'll see a guy with more potential than given credit for

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
JTO said it was "Sunday open."

Just TurnOvers don't know s**t

In fact let me add that I feel embarrassed for you for naively thinking you somehow know more about quarterbacking than a guy who played QB in the NFL for several years. Yeah, he was bad. Compared to Pro QBs. But lots of bad NFL QBs become great coaches, because being able to digest film or understand what you're supposed to do isn't usually enough to be successful.

So yeah, your post was kind of embarrassing. JTO lacked accuracy, he lacked vision, and other important aspects that good NFL QBs have. But understanding quarterbacking theory is not what makes a great QB. There's a different kind of intelligence that makes the difference. A kinetic intelligence. One tied to spatial awareness, anticipation, vision.

JTO may not have had that. But he had several years doing the NFL study gauntlet, and several more in college. The dude knows more about the position than you by a LAUGHABLY large amount.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
He's gonna be the pick so everyone better get used to it

hope im wrong and we land Zach Wilson

Wish Saleh would do us a solid on that. But I'm pretty sure Wilson is a Jet.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
JTO said it was "Sunday open."

Just TurnOvers don't know s**t

In fact let me add that I feel embarrassed for you for naively thinking you somehow know more about quarterbacking than a guy who played QB in the NFL for several years. Yeah, he was bad. Compared to Pro QBs. But lots of bad NFL QBs become great coaches, because being able to digest film or understand what you're supposed to do isn't usually enough to be successful.

So yeah, your post was kind of embarrassing. JTO lacked accuracy, he lacked vision, and other important aspects that good NFL QBs have. But understanding quarterbacking theory is not what makes a great QB. There's a different kind of intelligence that makes the difference. A kinetic intelligence. One tied to spatial awareness, anticipation, vision.

JTO may not have had that. But he had several years doing the NFL study gauntlet, and several more in college. The dude knows more about the position than you by a LAUGHABLY large amount.

i hate when people say that about anything

i guess we all can only talk about and join forums of things related to our jobs and education background

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
He's gonna be the pick so everyone better get used to it

hope im wrong and we land Zach Wilson

Wish Saleh would do us a solid on that. But I'm pretty sure Wilson is a Jet.

They'll ruin him

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
In fact let me add that I feel embarrassed for you for naively thinking you somehow know more about quarterbacking than a guy who played QB in the NFL for several years. Yeah, he was bad. Compared to Pro QBs. But lots of bad NFL QBs become great coaches, because being able to digest film or understand what you're supposed to do isn't usually enough to be successful.

So yeah, your post was kind of embarrassing. JTO lacked accuracy, he lacked vision, and other important aspects that good NFL QBs have. But understanding quarterbacking theory is not what makes a great QB. There's a different kind of intelligence that makes the difference. A kinetic intelligence. One tied to spatial awareness, anticipation, vision.

JTO may not have had that. But he had several years doing the NFL study gauntlet, and several more in college. The dude knows more about the position than you by a LAUGHABLY large amount.

Whoa calm down guy, I was just making a joke about how bad he was as a player Jesus lol

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
If we take Jones, Kyle and John are definitely controlling their fate and deserve to be canned. Take someone who's a kirk cousins clone when u have dudes with Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, Murray, Wilson etc terrorizing the league lately. I don't think Lynch will go for it if it's Jones anyway. He's still mad he whiffed on Mahomes and Watson and he didn't trade all that draft capital to get a Kirk Cousins type

Agree, that's one good reason that they might *not* pick Mac Jones. The fact that they already have a Mac Jones type on the team in the name of Jimmy. It makes sense to pick a more dynamic QB, like a Mahomes 2.0 in this draft and he will take time to develop, no problem because Jimmy is still on the team with two years remaining on his contract.

The reason I think they might go with Mac Jones is that he's a scheme fit QB, and basically can run the offense like it is because he's so much like a pocket QB like Jimmy. They don't need to change the scheme much for him. Kyle's scheme definitely has to change if a mobile QB is back there, you do want to take advantage of the rookies Mobility if something happens to Jimmy and he has to step in for him.

I like Mac, but Trey and Justin offer much more of a coaching challenge to Kyle because of their dynamic high ceilings and explosive athleticism. (high risk, high reward). I think Kyle is ready for a new challenge. We shall see.

I personally think it's more wishful thinking. I'd give it 90% odds that it's going to be Jones. The upper body torque, the release, the pocket presence, the accuracy, winning with his mind and not his athleticism, all these things scream Shanahan. And in fact, in today's NFL, this kind of QB is rare, which would explain why Shanahan rushed to throw away all those pics to move up.

And I do think it's overpaying. But this is who Shanahan is, and honestly, he'll do great in this system. He really is a system fit. As much as I'd love Wilson, he'll be gone, and while I do like Fields and Lance, neither one of them have that quick processing that Shanahan loves.

So we should all get used to Mac Jones.

Personally I'm fine with Mac Jones and am still on his band wagon, but the other QB's really are also exciting. I still remember how exciting the offenses were with Steve passing and running. I think Pocket QB's like Mac Jones still have a lot of value to offenses and while the rules do favor more mobile QB's, why is it that pocket QB's still win super bowls? I think it's because QB is still about passing and not about running.

I'm still trying to get my mind around the fact that Shanahan just shelled out a ton of draft capital to move up to #3. I'm still in catch up mode with the new QB's that are available now. Having said that, I still lean towards Mac Jones simply because he looks a lot like Jimmy and Jimmy's got us to the big game already once, with Mac Jones backing him up, the offense doesn't have to change much for Mac to take over if Jimmy needs a game or two on the sideline to catch a breath.

I was a Mac homer until the trade. No way we give up that much for him.