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Originally posted by Nastastical:
Rosenfels is close to Kyle. Was his QB in Houston when Kyle was his QB coach and then OC, and now he works with him at the QB Collective.
So you have BFF Simms saying one thing and Rosenfels saying different. Basically, no one knows s**t.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Forgot this one who Sage was responding to:
This Mac Jones to SF stuff just feels out of control. A Bama QB who had the best OL, best WRs and the least mobile of the top 5 QBs. That's who they gave up multiple first round picks for?
— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) March 26, 2021
Originally posted by BYisGod:
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
SF ain't drafting Mac Jones. Period.
— Sage Rosenfels (@SageRosenfels18) March 27, 2021
Rosenfels is close to Kyle. Was his QB in Houston when Kyle was his QB coach and then OC, and now he works with him at the QB Collective.
So you have BFF Simms saying one thing and Rosenfels saying different. Basically, no one knows s**t.
Lol this. You think Kyle is really telling people who he's going to draft?
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by BYisGod:
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
SF ain't drafting Mac Jones. Period.
— Sage Rosenfels (@SageRosenfels18) March 27, 2021
Rosenfels is close to Kyle. Was his QB in Houston when Kyle was his QB coach and then OC, and now he works with him at the QB Collective.
So you have BFF Simms saying one thing and Rosenfels saying different. Basically, no one knows s**t.
Lol this. You think Kyle is really telling people who he's going to draft?
I mean he supposedly told Simms about Aiyuk, so I really don't know what to believe right now. These next few weeks are going to be wild with new hot takes coming out every hour.
Originally posted by evil:
Basically we need a Simms VS Rosenfels debate live on National TV about the 3rd overall pick in this year's draft.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by BYisGod:
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
SF ain't drafting Mac Jones. Period.
— Sage Rosenfels (@SageRosenfels18) March 27, 2021
Rosenfels is close to Kyle. Was his QB in Houston when Kyle was his QB coach and then OC, and now he works with him at the QB Collective.
So you have BFF Simms saying one thing and Rosenfels saying different. Basically, no one knows s**t.
Lol this. You think Kyle is really telling people who he's going to draft?
I mean he supposedly told Simms about Aiyuk, so I really don't know what to believe right now. These next few weeks are going to be wild with new hot takes coming out every hour.
And McGlinchey.
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
SF ain't drafting Mac Jones. Period.
— Sage Rosenfels (@SageRosenfels18) March 27, 2021
Rosenfels is close to Kyle. Was his QB in Houston when Kyle was his QB coach and then OC, and now he works with him at the QB Collective.
So you have BFF Simms saying one thing and Rosenfels saying different. Basically, no one knows s**t.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
SF ain't drafting Mac Jones. Period.
— Sage Rosenfels (@SageRosenfels18) March 27, 2021
Rosenfels is close to Kyle. Was his QB in Houston when Kyle was his QB coach and then OC, and now he works with him at the QB Collective.
So you have BFF Simms saying one thing and Rosenfels saying different. Basically, no one knows s**t.
chris simms is a much closer friend, they have each others names tattooed on themselves lol
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Matt Ryan and Mac Jones share a ton of similarities, but younger Ryan at BC definitely had that gunslinger mentality, but he had to because his team's weren't that good during his time there and he had to make stuff happen to win games, but we've also seen Mac make a few scrambling off platform throws that are jaw dropping, but he didn't need to do it a lot because of how good Alabama was, but it doesn't mean he can't do it.
Kyle doesn't want his QB's ad-libbing and going off script too much, but it takes time to both learn his offense and adjust the way you've always QB'd. Jimmy had the same issues and still does. People complain about Cousins being too conservative, but he's Shanny's perfect QB and it's the reason he wanted him here. He sticks to the script and plays within the system, and a lot of this is because he was groomed under the Shanahan's to value the football and just be an extension of the coach on the field.
Mac Jones has a chance to be very similar. That's why people see his floor as Kirk Cousins and his ceiling as MVP Matt Ryan, when he learned and bought into Shanny's system.
Kyle just wants you to be smart, accurate, quick processor, be capable of making all the throws, pocket awareness, and follow the gameplan. Mac Jones brings that and Kyle getting him as a rookie is like if he got Ryan as a rookie and could've groomed him from day 1 and reined him in at a early age instead of when he was 30 years old. Give him these talented pocket passers when they're young and I'll put my money on Kyle getting them to perform at a high level early in their career.
Originally posted by jackburton1:
Another long post, but I'll start with this question. If you see his floor as Cousins and ceiling as Ryan, is it safe to assume he's probably somewhere in between? Would you be willing to spend 3 first round picks on such a player? You can't quite say MVP Ryan because that was his peak, and no one plays at their peak every year. While Ryan and Jones are very similar upstairs (advanced football intelligence and pocket awareness/presence) as well as accuracy, I think the differences extend FAR beyond a gunslinger mentality. Those were my bullets points, so I won't go back into that.
I don't really agree with how people describe Kyle's perfect QB. EVERY coach wants his qb to avoid ad-libbing and going off script too much. That's why they pay OC's and the NFL isn't straight backyard football. But yes, I'm sure he doesn't want a guy who can't throw from the pocket, or is worse in the pocket than on the move.
I would guess Kyle's deal-breakers would be processing and tight-window accuracy, but the t-w accuracy is a little different than people think. It's primarily an aspect of the play, I think. Through repetition, you learn to just react to movement and throw to a spot. JG was deadly accurate within certain play designs.
I strongly disagree that Kyle is somehow averse to QB's who are more athletic than Cousins. He has indicated that "elite is elite" no matter what form it takes. The thing people overlook is the nature of Kyle's genius. He can build or tailor his offense to fit QB's of all different types and skill levels, and they will pretty much look better than they should. A QB with elite traits can make Kyle's offense extraordinary. Good ingredients in, good quality out. I think Jones has elite trait, not traits.
What's overlooked when pointing to Cousins/Beathard is that the Shanny's saw them both as underrated gems, and they were picked in the 4th/3rd. We can't say for a fact that Kyle would select Cousins, the prospect, in the 1st if he had to, let alone spend 3 firsts to get him. He would probably take more pride in finding the next Cousins in the 4th than taking him at #3.
Moreover, IMO if he believed Cousins was the best possible QB he could have, I don't think he would have traded for JG at all. JG had 2 whole games of film, yet Kyle basically dropped Cousins for him. So I don't think he sees Kirk as some beautiful golden god.
Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
The narrative that Kyle doesnt like mobile QBs is misleading. He loves mobile QBs, he hates when mobile QBs turn into running backs "off script." Both Shanny's loved RG3 as a pocket passer but hated that he would start running on plays where a receiver was schemed open. Even when he was successful running they still hated it knowing that it affects overall longevity (why they also drafted Cousins to be a model backup.) RG3 wasnt interested in the Shanny's philosophy of limiting his running and just throw the ball away and it destroyed his career.
There is a video somewhere of Shanny Sr. talking about all this and about how RG3 could of been a perennial probowler as a pokcet passer if he didnt take off and run all the time and just did it more like Wilson, running only when absolutely necessary. Thats also where that shanny doesnt like running QBs narrative came from.
TLDR: Shanny loves mobile QBs just not the ones who run as a default before going through all their progressions or stop looking downfield when they start to run.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Simms and Shanny are beyond BFFs. These dudes talk on a daily basis, but every year during the draft process like clockwork, Simms tries to downplay his relationship with Kyle. Simms 100% knows who Kyle loves, but there's 0% chance he'd be announcing it to the world on social media.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by evil:
Basically we need a Simms VS Rosenfels debate live on National TV about the 3rd overall pick in this year's draft.
Lol that would be epic, but it can be Simms vs EVERYONE as he's the only one who ranks Mac 3rd best overall in the class. #4, Mond lol