Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Greg Cossell is more of an athlete than Mac Jones. He's a doughy Eli Manning with Shaun Hill's physical traits.

lol

idc though. can he be accurate, read defenses and move within the pocket?

We can probably find a lot of QBs that can do those three things and those things can be taught. A QB taken at #3 needs to have elite physical traits. It's nice that a QB is accurate, able to read defenses, and move within the pocket, but can he also throw an accurate dart 30 yards down field while completely airborne falling sideways ala Mahomes in the Super Bowl?

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by AyYoJoey:
Mac Jones is the pick. Im ok with that. I wasn't, but I am now. He is the prototype qb in a shanahan system and to think that all of a sudden shanny is going to expect his qb to be a runner/dual threat is foolish...running qbs get hurt and the best ability is availability.

The arguments against MJ are absurd.

Mac Jones played with the best talent
Ummm...aren't all the players in the NFL the best talent from college? Pretty sure Kittle is the best TE. Pretty confident that Deebo and Aiyuk are going to be a top WR tandem for years to come. We all know how the running game goes, best in the league when its full steam ahead. Oh, and almost forgot, niners got the one of the best left tackles in the game and a center thats been described as the "brains of the operation" by the above mentioned left tackle. Dont tell me the niners dont have top talent.

Mac Jones isn't mobile
News flash, mobile QBs get hurt. They don't last long. Shanahan doesn't want his qbs to be the hero on the ground, thats why he designs running plays for his WRs. He finds RB gems in the discard and clearance bins. Shanahan, like any offensive coach, wants hi qb to execute the play as it is designed. Why else would he put so much effort in designing plays? For his qb to ad lib? Nope. Jimmy got cute once and look what happened.

Not to mention MJ has the accuracy, awareness, and leadership of a legit qb and comes from a big time program that won at its highest level. Sure, Alabama qbs are notoriously not that good in the NFL, but all it takes is one to be good to change that narrative.

The plan is in place. Keep Jimmy this year, they have him accounted for...unless they get an offer from the pats they can't refuse. He has to want to prove the niners wrong. He has to play with that chip. If not now, then he never will be great. And if he does play great and wins, those future 1sts dont really matter and we have a young backup learning the system and how to win.

I'm ok with Mac Jones.

Don't settle. We didn't trade three first round picks to settle. That's not ok

What makes you think Shanahan wants to change his system for a dynamic playmaking qb? The system is the dynamic playmaker.

They moved up bc the Pats wanted Jones and probably would have leaped the Niners at 12. You make the trade for your guy. Jones is a Shanahan guy.

I'm going with Jones he's too accurate on all his throws best deep ball thrower!! hits receivers in stride love the pick. We can win with this guy now too!!

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by AyYoJoey:
Mac Jones is the pick. Im ok with that. I wasn't, but I am now. He is the prototype qb in a shanahan system and to think that all of a sudden shanny is going to expect his qb to be a runner/dual threat is foolish...running qbs get hurt and the best ability is availability.

The arguments against MJ are absurd.

Mac Jones played with the best talent
Ummm...aren't all the players in the NFL the best talent from college? Pretty sure Kittle is the best TE. Pretty confident that Deebo and Aiyuk are going to be a top WR tandem for years to come. We all know how the running game goes, best in the league when its full steam ahead. Oh, and almost forgot, niners got the one of the best left tackles in the game and a center thats been described as the "brains of the operation" by the above mentioned left tackle. Dont tell me the niners dont have top talent.

Mac Jones isn't mobile
News flash, mobile QBs get hurt. They don't last long. Shanahan doesn't want his qbs to be the hero on the ground, thats why he designs running plays for his WRs. He finds RB gems in the discard and clearance bins. Shanahan, like any offensive coach, wants hi qb to execute the play as it is designed. Why else would he put so much effort in designing plays? For his qb to ad lib? Nope. Jimmy got cute once and look what happened.

Not to mention MJ has the accuracy, awareness, and leadership of a legit qb and comes from a big time program that won at its highest level. Sure, Alabama qbs are notoriously not that good in the NFL, but all it takes is one to be good to change that narrative.

The plan is in place. Keep Jimmy this year, they have him accounted for...unless they get an offer from the pats they can't refuse. He has to want to prove the niners wrong. He has to play with that chip. If not now, then he never will be great. And if he does play great and wins, those future 1sts dont really matter and we have a young backup learning the system and how to win.

I'm ok with Mac Jones.

Don't settle. We didn't trade three first round picks to settle. That's not ok

He was throwing to Waddle and Smith who may actually be better than Deebo and Aiyuk, they are both gonna be drafted higher. Mac was throwing to these guys against college secondary and college pass rush. Now he's not going to have that mismatch, every NFL secondary us better than any SEC secondary. Apples to oranges.

There is a difference between a mobile QB and a running QB. Mobile QBs avoid sacks and extend plays: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Allen. Running QBs take off when s**t breaks down: Lamar Jackson. Big difference, mobile QBs don't get hurt that often.

Giving up the next two number ones, he better be Peyton f**king Manning. The other guys offer the athletic upside to scramble on 3rd and 15, defenses will have to respect that and the arm. Too much upside on Wilson, Lance, and Fields. Don't hate Mayo Jones, just think 49ers made a splash move to take a guy with a nice safe floor and no ceiling...just don't see it.

I'm high on Jones have been for awhile. All 3 of our possible realistic choices do have issues that have been discussed many times here.
has anyone heard any velocity numbers from the 3? Also I want an honest opinion here as far as arm strength who would he compare to past or present who was successful in the NFL ? It would be great to get a guy with a cannon for an arm but I don't think it's completely necessary, you can make up for some of that with anticipation which he seems to do well.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
He was throwing to Waddle and Smith who may actually be better than Deebo and Aiyuk, they are both gonna be drafted higher. Mac was throwing to these guys against college secondary and college pass rush. Now he's not going to have that mismatch, every NFL secondary us better than any SEC secondary. Apples to oranges.

There is a difference between a mobile QB and a running QB. Mobile QBs avoid sacks and extend plays: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Allen. Running QBs take off when s**t breaks down: Lamar Jackson. Big difference, mobile QBs don't get hurt that often.

Giving up the next two number ones, he better be Peyton f**king Manning. The other guys offer the athletic upside to scramble on 3rd and 15, defenses will have to respect that and the arm. Too much upside on Wilson, Lance, and Fields. Don't hate Mayo Jones, just think 49ers made a splash move to take a guy with a nice safe floor and no ceiling...just don't see it.

You don't see it because you aren't looking in the right place. Your thought process is on all the things that matters less than the important things.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
He was throwing to Waddle and Smith who may actually be better than Deebo and Aiyuk, they are both gonna be drafted higher. Mac was throwing to these guys against college secondary and college pass rush. Now he's not going to have that mismatch, every NFL secondary us better than any SEC secondary. Apples to oranges.

There is a difference between a mobile QB and a running QB. Mobile QBs avoid sacks and extend plays: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Allen. Running QBs take off when s**t breaks down: Lamar Jackson. Big difference, mobile QBs don't get hurt that often.

Giving up the next two number ones, he better be Peyton f**king Manning. The other guys offer the athletic upside to scramble on 3rd and 15, defenses will have to respect that and the arm. Too much upside on Wilson, Lance, and Fields. Don't hate Mayo Jones, just think 49ers made a splash move to take a guy with a nice safe floor and no ceiling...just don't see it.

You don't see it because you aren't looking in the right place. Your thought process is on all the things that matters less than the important things.

Lol. Please enlighten me oh wise one......everything I said is true.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
He was throwing to Waddle and Smith who may actually be better than Deebo and Aiyuk, they are both gonna be drafted higher. Mac was throwing to these guys against college secondary and college pass rush. Now he's not going to have that mismatch, every NFL secondary us better than any SEC secondary. Apples to oranges.

There is a difference between a mobile QB and a running QB. Mobile QBs avoid sacks and extend plays: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Allen. Running QBs take off when s**t breaks down: Lamar Jackson. Big difference, mobile QBs don't get hurt that often.

Giving up the next two number ones, he better be Peyton f**king Manning. The other guys offer the athletic upside to scramble on 3rd and 15, defenses will have to respect that and the arm. Too much upside on Wilson, Lance, and Fields. Don't hate Mayo Jones, just think 49ers made a splash move to take a guy with a nice safe floor and no ceiling...just don't see it.

You don't see it because you aren't looking in the right place. Your thought process is on all the things that matters less than the important things.

Rest assured that BigMac is out of the running @ #3 for the reasons Rath stated. Not talented enough or experienced enough to warrant 2 extra 1sts in later years.

You're swinging for the fences with those kinds of moves.

krizay, being serious here since you've pretty much been the biggest fan of Mac, what does Mac do that Fields and Lance can't? And do you think Fields/Lance would not have had a great season on that Alabama team? I'm not in any way shape or form taking anything away from Mac with that question because what he did was outstanding and one of the best seasons I've ever seen from a college QB, right there with Burrows. Just looking for discussion because my gut feeling is that I need to start warming up to him being the pick

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Lol. Please enlighten me oh wise one......everything I said is true.

Alot of what you said is true. However, you are only focused on one portion of the QB position the mobility portion. Mac proved to be mobile enough but that's neither here nor there with my post..

you also only applied your "reasoning" to one QB. For starters when Waddle went down did he falter? How and when Smith went down in the championship game? He put up 17 points in 3 drives without Smith and with a hobbled Waddle. That's 7 less than Fields the whole game. When Fields loses his top WRs we here excuses. When Jones lost his, he never missed a beat.

Secondly, wasn't the other QBs throwing against college defenses and going against college pass rushes? Are they not going to be going up against NFL teams/players next year? Mac was at least going up against NFL caliber players.

Without proof, I'm willing to bet Mac was going up against more complex defenses(like he will see in the NFL) than the other QBs.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
krizay, being serious here since you've pretty much been the biggest fan of Mac, what does Mac do that Fields and Lance can't? And do you think Fields/Lance would not have had a great season on that Alabama team? I'm not in any way shape or form taking anything away from Mac with that question because what he did was outstanding and one of the best seasons I've ever seen from a college QB, right there with Burrows. Just looking for discussion because my gut feeling is that I need to start warming up to him being the pick

Jumping in on this one

Fields is a risk when he's under pressure. A qb in a Shanahan's system needs to be cool in the pocket. He doesn't want his qb making plays on 3rd&15 with their legs.

Lance is inexperienced. He is intriguing though and has the upside, the kind you get excited for and blow your wad of firsts for...but I think he needs time to develop. If Jimmy wins (stays healthy) and Lance gets time to learn, I think he's the pick. But I think Shanny thinks Jimmy won't stay healthy. Mac is more "NFL Ready" or whatever.

I gotta be honest guys........I have a serious problem with drafting a QB who looks like he never managed to find the weight room on campus. Jones looks like he followed the Alex Moran workout program at Blue Mountain State.

My biggest concern with fields is sometimes he doesn't anticipate the WR coming open and waits till he's open also he has had problems with the dealing with the blitz. It has been stated his 3.11 hold rate was one of the worst in college if he doesn't improve on that it could spell big trouble.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by AyYoJoey:
Mac Jones is the pick. Im ok with that. I wasn't, but I am now. He is the prototype qb in a shanahan system and to think that all of a sudden shanny is going to expect his qb to be a runner/dual threat is foolish...running qbs get hurt and the best ability is availability.

The arguments against MJ are absurd.

Mac Jones played with the best talent
Ummm...aren't all the players in the NFL the best talent from college? Pretty sure Kittle is the best TE. Pretty confident that Deebo and Aiyuk are going to be a top WR tandem for years to come. We all know how the running game goes, best in the league when its full steam ahead. Oh, and almost forgot, niners got the one of the best left tackles in the game and a center thats been described as the "brains of the operation" by the above mentioned left tackle. Dont tell me the niners dont have top talent.

Mac Jones isn't mobile
News flash, mobile QBs get hurt. They don't last long. Shanahan doesn't want his qbs to be the hero on the ground, thats why he designs running plays for his WRs. He finds RB gems in the discard and clearance bins. Shanahan, like any offensive coach, wants hi qb to execute the play as it is designed. Why else would he put so much effort in designing plays? For his qb to ad lib? Nope. Jimmy got cute once and look what happened.

Not to mention MJ has the accuracy, awareness, and leadership of a legit qb and comes from a big time program that won at its highest level. Sure, Alabama qbs are notoriously not that good in the NFL, but all it takes is one to be good to change that narrative.

The plan is in place. Keep Jimmy this year, they have him accounted for...unless they get an offer from the pats they can't refuse. He has to want to prove the niners wrong. He has to play with that chip. If not now, then he never will be great. And if he does play great and wins, those future 1sts dont really matter and we have a young backup learning the system and how to win.

I'm ok with Mac Jones.

Don't settle. We didn't trade three first round picks to settle. That's not ok

He was throwing to Waddle and Smith who may actually be better than Deebo and Aiyuk, they are both gonna be drafted higher. Mac was throwing to these guys against college secondary and college pass rush. Now he's not going to have that mismatch, every NFL secondary us better than any SEC secondary. Apples to oranges.

There is a difference between a mobile QB and a running QB. Mobile QBs avoid sacks and extend plays: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Allen. Running QBs take off when s**t breaks down: Lamar Jackson. Big difference, mobile QBs don't get hurt that often.

Giving up the next two number ones, he better be Peyton f**king Manning. The other guys offer the athletic upside to scramble on 3rd and 15, defenses will have to respect that and the arm. Too much upside on Wilson, Lance, and Fields. Don't hate Mayo Jones, just think 49ers made a splash move to take a guy with a nice safe floor and no ceiling...just don't see it.

I read an article today that Shanahan had his mind changed last year on the new era QBs when he saw Allen last season play against us. We couldn't get pressure on him and he would extend plays and his arm talent jumped off the screen. With that in mind he can't be going Jones.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
krizay, being serious here since you've pretty much been the biggest fan of Mac, what does Mac do that Fields and Lance can't? And do you think Fields/Lance would not have had a great season on that Alabama team? I'm not in any way shape or form taking anything away from Mac with that question because what he did was outstanding and one of the best seasons I've ever seen from a college QB, right there with Burrows. Just looking for discussion because my gut feeling is that I need to start warming up to him being the pick

What I posted in the Mills thread when asked..

I personally can't explain what it is about Jones I love. Just for me, from what I want from a QB Jones seems to have that "IT" factor. That's what drew me to him.

When I watch all these other QBs I just don't see them in full control. I know Jones isn't the perfect prospect. I know all of his passes weren't accurate.
Watching him play and see his ball placement (again not all we're perfect) seeing him know where to go with the ball. See him being decisive. THAT is what I want from a QB.

No other QB in this draft has that. If Zach Wilson's ball placement were better and he didn't spin out of clean pockets unnecessarily I'd be all over him too

And again my thing for Mac Jones is for us. I'm not saying he can go to any team and reach his ceiling. For us, I feel he is the perfect QB.

Fields and Lance may have a higher ceiling in a vacuum, but for what we do I believe Mac has the higher ceiling. I don't care what these guys look like for other teams. I care what it would mean for us.

Shanny drafts our skilled players for toughness and YAC. Jones' ball placement IMO is superior to the rest which allows for exactly that.

If we had a different head coach running a different system my thought process would likely change. But for us, I'm not going to draft a rectangle and hope I can mold it into a square to fit. That is one of the main reasons QBs fail

Originally posted by boomer49er:
I gotta be honest guys........I have a serious problem with drafting a QB who looks like he never managed to find the weight room on campus. Jones looks like he followed the Alex Moran workout program at Blue Mountain State.

That can't be right, we're drafting Tom Arnold? f**k