Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by boast:

your point is what? Tom Brady isnt fat.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
And.....eating cookies

And W's

Mostly cookies though

Originally posted by boomer49er:
This is a true story. Something about his girlfriend baking him a dozen cookies was night that he eats.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Thanks for answering. Okay, so essentially you think Mac has the "it" factor and has better ball placement than them. For me, I think Lance has that "it" factor above all of them, including Lawrence. Can't explain it, just my own view of him. I don't agree that Fields/Lance would be more Hurts on that Bama team, both are light years better than Hurts as passers and both are pass first QBs looking to pass while scrambling. As far as ball placement, I do think Mac threw a lot more screens and short RPO type stuff than Fields/Lance did so not too much to compare on that, he likely does have that over them. But I do think both Fields/Lance can easily do it and specific ball placement can and will improve for them over time in the system if we continue with that same YAC, short passing game we ran for Jimmy.

I agree that Fields/Lance is more advanced passing than Hurts. But I still feel if they were on Bama it would still look more like Hurts than Jones. Lance more so than Fields.

As for RPOs/screens and such, yes that helps completion % but has no bearings on the stuff I'm talking about. Nothing I'm talking about has anything to do with stats.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
This is a true story. Something about his girlfriend baking him a dozen cookies was night that he eats.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
This is a true story. Something about his girlfriend baking him a dozen cookies was night that he eats.

Can't blame him. A hot woman bringing you fresh baked chocolate chip cookies every single night, that's the dream right there man.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Where in my response did you get me talking about completion % or stats? I was talking about ball placement, which you mentioned he's better at then Fields/Lance. When YAC is the goal, ball placement absolutely matters for screens and RPOS and again I think Fields/Lance can easily do it, just maybe haven't done it as much as Mac has

Originally posted by okdkid:
I mean I guess I get posting the Tom Brady pic as a comparion for a visual. But Brady is famous for his training, nutrition and mental health routine. Like, he has his own brand, trainers and s**t.

I don't think the guy with the dad bod and cigar hanging around of his mouth is on the TB12 plan.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by okdkid:
I mean I guess I get posting the Tom Brady pic as a comparion for a visual. But Brady is famous for his training, nutrition and mental health routine. Like, he has his own brand, trainers and s**t.

I don't think the guy with the dad bod and cigar hanging around of his mouth is on the TB12 plan.

You draft based on the future NFL player you envision. Can a player max out their potential in your system with your coaching and schemes?

What you see now is not what you get after a few years NFL.

NFL athletes have greater access to nutrition and strength training programs than college kids.

Originally posted by AyYoJoey:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Greg Cossell is more of an athlete than Mac Jones. He's a doughy Eli Manning with Shaun Hill's physical traits.

lol

idc though. can he be accurate, read defenses and move within the pocket?

We can probably find a lot of QBs that can do those three things and those things can be taught. A QB taken at #3 needs to have elite physical traits. It's nice that a QB is accurate, able to read defenses, and move within the pocket, but can he also throw an accurate dart 30 yards down field while completely airborne falling sideways ala Mahomes in the Super Bowl?

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by AyYoJoey:
Mac Jones is the pick. Im ok with that. I wasn't, but I am now. He is the prototype qb in a shanahan system and to think that all of a sudden shanny is going to expect his qb to be a runner/dual threat is foolish...running qbs get hurt and the best ability is availability.

The arguments against MJ are absurd.

Mac Jones played with the best talent
Ummm...aren't all the players in the NFL the best talent from college? Pretty sure Kittle is the best TE. Pretty confident that Deebo and Aiyuk are going to be a top WR tandem for years to come. We all know how the running game goes, best in the league when its full steam ahead. Oh, and almost forgot, niners got the one of the best left tackles in the game and a center thats been described as the "brains of the operation" by the above mentioned left tackle. Dont tell me the niners dont have top talent.

Mac Jones isn't mobile
News flash, mobile QBs get hurt. They don't last long. Shanahan doesn't want his qbs to be the hero on the ground, thats why he designs running plays for his WRs. He finds RB gems in the discard and clearance bins. Shanahan, like any offensive coach, wants hi qb to execute the play as it is designed. Why else would he put so much effort in designing plays? For his qb to ad lib? Nope. Jimmy got cute once and look what happened.

Not to mention MJ has the accuracy, awareness, and leadership of a legit qb and comes from a big time program that won at its highest level. Sure, Alabama qbs are notoriously not that good in the NFL, but all it takes is one to be good to change that narrative.

The plan is in place. Keep Jimmy this year, they have him accounted for...unless they get an offer from the pats they can't refuse. He has to want to prove the niners wrong. He has to play with that chip. If not now, then he never will be great. And if he does play great and wins, those future 1sts dont really matter and we have a young backup learning the system and how to win.

I'm ok with Mac Jones.

Don't settle. We didn't trade three first round picks to settle. That's not ok

What makes you think Shanahan wants to change his system for a dynamic playmaking qb? The system is the dynamic playmaker.

They moved up bc the Pats wanted Jones and probably would have leaped the Niners at 12. You make the trade for your guy. Jones is a Shanahan guy.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by AyYoJoey:
Mac Jones is the pick. Im ok with that. I wasn't, but I am now. He is the prototype qb in a shanahan system and to think that all of a sudden shanny is going to expect his qb to be a runner/dual threat is foolish...running qbs get hurt and the best ability is availability.

The arguments against MJ are absurd.

Mac Jones played with the best talent
Ummm...aren't all the players in the NFL the best talent from college? Pretty sure Kittle is the best TE. Pretty confident that Deebo and Aiyuk are going to be a top WR tandem for years to come. We all know how the running game goes, best in the league when its full steam ahead. Oh, and almost forgot, niners got the one of the best left tackles in the game and a center thats been described as the "brains of the operation" by the above mentioned left tackle. Dont tell me the niners dont have top talent.

Mac Jones isn't mobile
News flash, mobile QBs get hurt. They don't last long. Shanahan doesn't want his qbs to be the hero on the ground, thats why he designs running plays for his WRs. He finds RB gems in the discard and clearance bins. Shanahan, like any offensive coach, wants hi qb to execute the play as it is designed. Why else would he put so much effort in designing plays? For his qb to ad lib? Nope. Jimmy got cute once and look what happened.

Not to mention MJ has the accuracy, awareness, and leadership of a legit qb and comes from a big time program that won at its highest level. Sure, Alabama qbs are notoriously not that good in the NFL, but all it takes is one to be good to change that narrative.

The plan is in place. Keep Jimmy this year, they have him accounted for...unless they get an offer from the pats they can't refuse. He has to want to prove the niners wrong. He has to play with that chip. If not now, then he never will be great. And if he does play great and wins, those future 1sts dont really matter and we have a young backup learning the system and how to win.

I'm ok with Mac Jones.

Don't settle. We didn't trade three first round picks to settle. That's not ok

He was throwing to Waddle and Smith who may actually be better than Deebo and Aiyuk, they are both gonna be drafted higher. Mac was throwing to these guys against college secondary and college pass rush. Now he's not going to have that mismatch, every NFL secondary us better than any SEC secondary. Apples to oranges.

There is a difference between a mobile QB and a running QB. Mobile QBs avoid sacks and extend plays: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Allen. Running QBs take off when s**t breaks down: Lamar Jackson. Big difference, mobile QBs don't get hurt that often.

Giving up the next two number ones, he better be Peyton f**king Manning. The other guys offer the athletic upside to scramble on 3rd and 15, defenses will have to respect that and the arm. Too much upside on Wilson, Lance, and Fields. Don't hate Mayo Jones, just think 49ers made a splash move to take a guy with a nice safe floor and no ceiling...just don't see it.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Lol stop bro.

why does everyone think that Kyle only wants a good QB that can't move?! Can we end this once and for all. He wants a guy that can run his playbook along with all the other attributes that we all know of. And if they can also run then that brings much more value . 32 out of 32 coaches would agree.

For example, mahomes. He's amazing but can also move. Very important and a huge plus in today's NFL... Brady is the exception