Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

I dont think there is any smoke screens.

I would also bet, the 49ers KNOW their guy is at 3.

The relationship with the Jets is probably the best it has ever been, and I am pretty sure the 49ers would have traded to 2 if that pick was remotely possible. I would suspect they have an idea what the Jets intend to pick, and deemed whoever is landing at 3 is worth the draft capital.

I can live with jones at 3. He seems like an NFL caliber QB. I think most of us want "something" material to be elite in him to Justify the draft capital, but with Many QBs....many HOF great QBs, their mesurables are mundane and their minds are elite.

Jones primary issue though might be his lack of Hype. If Jones was a 3rd in line Manning, or a Carr....we would likely not have the same trepidation we seem to have now.

All in all, he seems like a better prospect to me then Alex Smith, but I never thought he was a first round draft choice.

FWIW....Jones reminds me of Chad Pennington. A guy who was a Bill Walsh favorite..... ( I still have a hard time wrapping my head around 3 first rounders for Jones or Lance)

Originally posted by 9moon:
Was it Alabama the team?
Was it Mack the QB?
Was it the system?
Was it Sarkisian?

you also need to ask why Mack couldn't beat out Tua.. ..

why did burrow transfer?
why did fields transfer?

were they not good enough to beat out their competition?

I've worked out Simms' evaluation and ranking of Mac Jones, Kyle has told him that they were trading to 3 and drafting Mac.

Simms gets to look smart by calling him the #3 QB, and Kyle gets at least one media member talking up Mac's average tools to soften the blow.

Somebody convince me why Mac Jones can have a better NFL career than Matt Leinart. The things everyone says about Jones are what they were yapping about for Leinart too. So polished and NFL ready, smart, reads defenses better than anybody....complete and total bust.

Take Justin Fields and put him on that Alabama team. Does anybody think that teams doesn't walk to a national championship? They would and I bet the debate of the year would be Lawrence Vs. Fields at #1 with the JETs getting the other.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
Tua never put up number like Jones did last year...in fact no quarterback has ever put up numbers like Jones did last year.

how you go check out Graham Harrell and Colt Brennan. They turned into stars lol... If AJ McCarron had as many passing attempts as Jones got he would have put up the same stats.

no one in college had more yards from open WRs then Jones (per PFF) he had 600 more yards than anyone else from screens.

tua had 4,000 yards on only 355 passing attempts the yr before he got hurt. He had more TDs than Jones as well that season.

Stop quoting PFF if you want to be taken seriously.

Mac Jones is a known top 15 pick who's climbing fast on draft boards. Graham Harrell went undrafted and played in Canada to start his career and Colt Brennan played a cupcake schedule much like Zack Wilson which got him drafted in the 6th round.

Mac Jones won the National Championship playing in the SEC and he dominated everyone he's faced last year just like last years #1 overall pick Joe Burrow who also came out of no where with a loaded roster and set a bunch of Div 1 records that were matched or taken over by Mac Jones.

Your post made me want to take a look at his college stats. They were *insane.* I know its Alabama, and the whole senior team is going to be drafted in the first round, but those stats are insane. Now gotta Google and watch some Alabama games. Crap.

In what world was Mac Jones in 2020 better than Joe Burrow in 2019? Sure, Burrow player 2 more games, but he also threw for over 1,000 more yards and nearly 20 more TDs. He was also an actual threat with his legs with over 350 yards rushing and 5 TDs. Hell, Burrow scored 8 TDs and had nearly 500 yards of passing against Oklahoma in the Peach Bowl....and he sat the entire 2nd half of the game.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Somebody convince me why Mac Jones can have a better NFL career than Matt Leinart. The things everyone says about Jones are what they were yapping about for Leinart too. So polished and NFL ready, smart, reads defenses better than anybody....complete and total bust.

Take Justin Fields and put him on that Alabama team. Does anybody think that teams doesn't walk to a national championship? They would and I bet the debate of the year would be Lawrence Vs. Fields at #1 with the JETs getting the other.

I'm guessing you won't catch Jones hanging out with high school girls in Scottsdale after getting drafted. Leinart always seemed like a dude that was more interested in the quarterback lifestyle far moreso than he was interested in playing quarterback.

Mac took his bumps early on with the DUIs but for the past few years, from.what anyone can see, the guy lives, eats, sleeps football.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Mike Lombardi has the biggest hardon for Jones, wouldn't be shocked if they have the same agent

He also has the 49ers taking Lance at 3.

Many people are predicting the 49ers to select Trey Lance with the 3rd pick in the NFL draft. @mlombardiNFl explains to @TheWrapRadio why he believes San Francisco will be heading in a different direction. #LombardiLine pic.twitter.com/3fBAaCILSs

— VSiN (@VSiNLive) March 28, 2021

He's clearly been going back and forth.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
Tua never put up number like Jones did last year...in fact no quarterback has ever put up numbers like Jones did last year.

how you go check out Graham Harrell and Colt Brennan. They turned into stars lol... If AJ McCarron had as many passing attempts as Jones got he would have put up the same stats.

no one in college had more yards from open WRs then Jones (per PFF) he had 600 more yards than anyone else from screens.

tua had 4,000 yards on only 355 passing attempts the yr before he got hurt. He had more TDs than Jones as well that season.

Stop quoting PFF if you want to be taken seriously.

Mac Jones is a known top 15 pick who's climbing fast on draft boards. Graham Harrell went undrafted and played in Canada to start his career and Colt Brennan played a cupcake schedule much like Zack Wilson which got him drafted in the 6th round.

Mac Jones won the National Championship playing in the SEC and he dominated everyone he's faced last year just like last years #1 overall pick Joe Burrow who also came out of no where with a loaded roster and set a bunch of Div 1 records that were matched or taken over by Mac Jones.

Your post made me want to take a look at his college stats. They were *insane.* I know its Alabama, and the whole senior team is going to be drafted in the first round, but those stats are insane. Now gotta Google and watch some Alabama games. Crap.

In what world was Mac Jones in 2020 better than Joe Burrow in 2019? Sure, Burrow player 2 more games, but he also threw for over 1,000 more yards and nearly 20 more TDs. He was also an actual threat with his legs with over 350 yards rushing and 5 TDs. Hell, Burrow scored 8 TDs and had nearly 500 yards of passing against Oklahoma in the Peach Bowl....and he sat the entire 2nd half of the game.

Well personally I like Feilds.

But if Kyle likes Archie Manning 2.0, not much I can do about it.

Having said that, Kyle builds his offenses around slow pocket guys. Sid Gilman built his offense around rocket armed slow pocket guys, Knoll, Walsh, Shula build thier offenses around *thier* particular guys that they seem to think will succeed in *their* system.

If Kyle guesses wrong its his job, not mine. But you also have to respect the skills Kyle brings to the table in choosing a QB. He's not a terrible coach like Mike Singletary whose coaching cheat sheet was the size of 3x5 index card. I'm just a fan. I'm still not able to deal with the two super bowl losses, and I'm still pissed we didn't get to three-peat. I'll cheer for any QB that Kyle picks, even if it's Jim Druckenmiller 2.0.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:




I'm guessing you won't catch Jones hanging out with high school girls in Scottsdale after getting drafted. Leinart always seemed like a dude that was more interested in the quarterback lifestyle far moreso than he was interested in playing quarterback.

Mac took his bumps early on with the DUIs but for the past few years, from.what anyone can see, the guy lives, eats, sleeps football.

This is where Kyle hires a bunch of retired CIA case officers to investigate the three QBs and thier families and friends, and get the location of all the skeletons and dead bodies buried in their particular back yards.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's not as bad as you think, for two reasons.
(1):
The main problem is you and a bunch of other people don't realize that field vision and processing are PHYSICAL TRAITS, in the exact same way that speed is. One out of fifty guys ever gets appreciably better at these. Jimmy has been here years and has not improved in those categories. Nor have CJ and Nick. Guys just don't usually get better at that.

So if you start thinking of these two things as talents, it might make it hurt less if they take McCorkle.

(2):
That said, it's entirely possible Shanahan went to the Pro Day because he is still evaluating these guys.

I mean, if he knows he's taking McCorkle, why even go?

Oh stop it...Field vision is a whole hell of a lot easier when you have an amazing OL and wide open WRs all the damn time. Jones has gotten to sit on the bench for 3 yrs and learn the offense.

it was the same s**t with Tua. Everyone had a hard one for his accuracy and field vision. He was regarded as super heady all the same. Gets into the NFL and all those open plays aren't there. you don't have a team that's two tiers ahead of everyone. They pass on the top end trait QB and now what?

Like I said if Mac Jones played for freaking Iowa State no one would give a s**t about him. He would be a day 2 pick.

If they traded 3 1sts for Buffalo nips Jones, we're gonna be the laughing stock of the NFL. There's never been a trade like this were we take the 5th rated QB by most people. Gross.

Whatever advantage McCorkle had over the competition, Lance had that and then some.

Also, I flat out disagree with your claim. Having all day doesn't change how quickly you find the open guy or how well you go through progressions. Jones does it better than the other two, period.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah. If Shanahan had already made up his mind, why would he go to any Pro Day? Everyone already knows who the first two picks are going to be. Is Shanahan trying to keep himself from knowing who he's gonna draft?

He went because he needed to see McCorkle up close — because he hasn't decided who he's picking yet.

If they haven't decided then there's no way they should have made the trade.

If they have decided on TWO guys, and couldn't get anything lower.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
Tua never put up number like Jones did last year...in fact no quarterback has ever put up numbers like Jones did last year.

how you go check out Graham Harrell and Colt Brennan. They turned into stars lol... If AJ McCarron had as many passing attempts as Jones got he would have put up the same stats.

no one in college had more yards from open WRs then Jones (per PFF) he had 600 more yards than anyone else from screens.

tua had 4,000 yards on only 355 passing attempts the yr before he got hurt. He had more TDs than Jones as well that season.

Stop quoting PFF if you want to be taken seriously.

Mac Jones is a known top 15 pick who's climbing fast on draft boards. Graham Harrell went undrafted and played in Canada to start his career and Colt Brennan played a cupcake schedule much like Zack Wilson which got him drafted in the 6th round.

Mac Jones won the National Championship playing in the SEC and he dominated everyone he's faced last year just like last years #1 overall pick Joe Burrow who also came out of no where with a loaded roster and set a bunch of Div 1 records that were matched or taken over by Mac Jones.

Your post made me want to take a look at his college stats. They were *insane.* I know its Alabama, and the whole senior team is going to be drafted in the first round, but those stats are insane. Now gotta Google and watch some Alabama games. Crap.

In what world was Mac Jones in 2020 better than Joe Burrow in 2019? Sure, Burrow player 2 more games, but he also threw for over 1,000 more yards and nearly 20 more TDs. He was also an actual threat with his legs with over 350 yards rushing and 5 TDs. Hell, Burrow scored 8 TDs and had nearly 500 yards of passing against Oklahoma in the Peach Bowl....and he sat the entire 2nd half of the game.

Well personally I like Feilds.

But if Kyle likes Archie Manning 2.0, not much I can do about it.

Having said that, Kyle builds his offenses around slow pocket guys. Sid Gilman built his offense around rocket armed slow pocket guys, Knoll, Walsh, Shula build thier offenses around *thier* particular guys that they seem to think will succeed in *their* system.

If Kyle guesses wrong its his job, not mine. But you also have to respect the skills Kyle brings to the table in choosing a QB. He's not a terrible coach like Mike Singletary whose coaching cheat sheet was the size of 3x5 index card. I'm just a fan. I'm still not able to deal with the two super bowl losses, and I'm still pissed we didn't get to three-peat. I'll cheer for any QB that Kyle picks, even if it's Jim Druckenmiller 2.0.

No, he doesn't. Drew Bledsoe wouldn't have been a Kyle guy. Kyle needs guys that can get out on the edge and make passes in the boot. That's not a pure pocket guy. Kirk Cousins, Jimmy, even Matty Ice can get out there and do that. It a pillar of the offense and a requirement. There isn't much evidence that Mac Jones can do that successfully.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Imagine trading up to #3 and thinking Shanahan can be swayed by a pro day.

"Sure I threw away two future 1st round picks and am permanently tying my legacy to this dude. But I just don't know yet. Need to see him throw in shorts."

Then why is he going to Mac Jones' pro day if he already knows who he's taking? What's the point.

Because he's a troll. He loves this s**t.

More likely he wants to talk to him eye to eye about his DUI.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:




I'm guessing you won't catch Jones hanging out with high school girls in Scottsdale after getting drafted. Leinart always seemed like a dude that was more interested in the quarterback lifestyle far moreso than he was interested in playing quarterback.

Mac took his bumps early on with the DUIs but for the past few years, from.what anyone can see, the guy lives, eats, sleeps football.

This is where Kyle hires a bunch of retired CIA case officers to investigate the three QBs and thier families and friends, and get the location of all the skeletons and dead bodies buried in their particular back yards.

I don't know if he eats football, but he definitely eats.

Honestly I don't know how much I can buy into this guy being so committed to football when he can't be bothered to get himself into the weight room for a few hours a week.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by eastie:
Ratings prospects is junk. How the player preforms is the only measuring stick that matters and we don't know that answer until they hit the field. Trust in the judgement of the brain trust, they've resurrected the franchise in just a few years from the depths. They've earned our trust.

f**k that lol.

you want a middle of the road talent at QB you don't move 3 1sts to make it happen. Sorry Im just heated right now with the thought of waiting over 20 yrs to make a bold move like they just did...only for it to be him.

Jones isn't middle of the road in talent. You just keep forgetting field vision is a talent.

By the way, your claim that Jones' vision and processing is because of the line is false: Jones' average time in the pocket is faster than both of the other two (by a lot). It's not the line giving him more time. It's him seeing it quicker.

Fields: 2.73
Lance: 2.66
Jones: 2.49

Edit - Again, that is not to say that Jones is better overall. It's just IF he's third on the list, there isn't some vast gulf separating them. He's only significantly worse in athleticism.