Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Jones isn't middle of the road in talent. You just keep forgetting field vision is a talent.

By the way, your claim that Jones' vision and processing is because of the line is false: Jones' average time in the pocket is faster than both of the other two (by a lot). It's not the line giving him more time. It's him seeing it quicker.

Fields: 2.73
Lance: 2.66
Jones: 2.49

Edit - Again, that is not to say that Jones is better overall. It's just IF he's third on the list, there isn't some vast gulf separating them. He's only significantly worse in athleticism.

This is possibly the worst stat to judge a QB on, Jones had the most amount of designed bubble screens and RPO's by a country mile. Lance had some and Fields' offense was mainly on longer developing routes and WR options which force a longer hold time.

There's still plenty of tape of Fields having a read and quick throw to make, and he's exceptional at it.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:




I'm guessing you won't catch Jones hanging out with high school girls in Scottsdale after getting drafted. Leinart always seemed like a dude that was more interested in the quarterback lifestyle far moreso than he was interested in playing quarterback.

Mac took his bumps early on with the DUIs but for the past few years, from.what anyone can see, the guy lives, eats, sleeps football.

Insert Mac Jones DUI pic *

I want to know if Mac Jone´s teammates were there for his birthday party.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Jones is not bad. All three have a good chance to be good QBs. The capital to get to 3 is NOT a function of the player! It is a function of the MARKET. Supply and demand, not talent, is what fueled the trade. There are 5 worthy QBs, and about 10 teams who want one of them.

Oh b******t lol.

if you're all about Mac Jones and no one else you do not need to give up that much capital. If Mac Jones is all that he should be going #1 overall.

the fact that you said Jones "is not bad" isn't selling him either lol. You give up that capital for a top 5 caliber talent not he's not bad.

people just talking themselves into this horrible idea because it probably happens.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Jones isn't middle of the road in talent. You just keep forgetting field vision is a talent.

By the way, your claim that Jones' vision and processing is because of the line is false: Jones' average time in the pocket is faster than both of the other two (by a lot). It's not the line giving him more time. It's him seeing it quicker.

Fields: 2.73
Lance: 2.66
Jones: 2.49

Edit - Again, that is not to say that Jones is better overall. It's just IF he's third on the list, there isn't some vast gulf separating them. He's only significantly worse in athleticism.

This is possibly the worst stat to judge a QB on, Jones had the most amount of designed bubble screens and RPO's by a country mile. Lance had some and Fields' offense was mainly on longer developing routes and WR options which force a longer hold time.

There's still plenty of tape of Fields having a read and quick throw to make, and he's exceptional at it.

It's a constant lazy take and valuing something that can be taught.

The romanticizing of Mac Jones is hilarious at this point. Everyone thinks he's running some ultimate pro-style offense and Lance and fields are some black one read QBs that scramble.

Yeah if anything Trey Lance would be the one that played in a pro style offense right?

I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

Here we go.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Yeah if anything Trey Lance would be the one that played in a pro style offense right?

Yes....if you look at the foundation of Kyle's passing game it's all about PA/boots that's what Wilson/Lance/fields did. Mac not so much.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Here we go.

Wow, Peter King says that Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch will be at Alabama's Pro Day to watch Mac Jones, while Adam Peters and others will be at Ohio State's Pro Day to watch Justin Fields.

Uhh...lots to be inferred from this, but Shanahan wants to watch Jones up close?

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) March 29, 2021

You're about 12 hrs late to the party NC

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

You know how I feel about him and I'm really trying to wrap my head around the idea of given up 3 1sts and a 3rd...but I just can't justify it.

I thought Kyle would be smart enough to see through the fluff stats, all the RPOs/bubble screens, all the wide open WRs and easy reads all the max protections etc etc...

I thought he would finally get how important top end talent is after getting smoked by Allen, losing to Mahomes in the SB, getting beat by Murray and Wilson. I figured after that comment in the Bills games he finally got it...he could take an elite talent and destroy the league.

I was so stoked on Friday lol, literally something I've been wanting to happen as a SF fan for over 30 yrs....now it might turn into my nightmare scenario ha f**k me

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

You know how I feel about him and I'm really trying to wrap my head around the idea of given up 3 1sts and a 3rd...but I just can't justify it.

I thought Kyle would be smart enough to see through the fluff stats, all the RPOs/bubble screens, all the wide open WRs and easy reads all the max protections etc etc...

I thought he would finally get how important top end talent is after getting smoked by Allen, losing to Mahomes in the SB, getting beat by Murray and Wilson. I figured after that comment in the Bills games he finally got it...he could take an elite talent and destroy the league.

I was so stoked on Friday lol, literally something I've been wanting to happen as a SF fan for over 30 yrs....now it might turn into my nightmare scenario ha f**k me

Let's have some faith and hope it's a smokescreen.

Maybe we need to start sending him some film of that Bills game to remind him.

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

You know how I feel about him and I'm really trying to wrap my head around the idea of given up 3 1sts and a 3rd...but I just can't justify it.

I thought Kyle would be smart enough to see through the fluff stats, all the RPOs/bubble screens, all the wide open WRs and easy reads all the max protections etc etc...

I thought he would finally get how important top end talent is after getting smoked by Allen, losing to Mahomes in the SB, getting beat by Murray and Wilson. I figured after that comment in the Bills games he finally got it...he could take an elite talent and destroy the league.

I was so stoked on Friday lol, literally something I've been wanting to happen as a SF fan for over 30 yrs....now it might turn into my nightmare scenario ha f**k me

Let's have some faith and hope it's a smokescreen.

Maybe we need to start sending him some film of that Bills game to remind him.

But what is the point of smoke screening? We're not competing with anyone.

Unless we like Fields/Lance even more than Zach Wilson and fear that a team could trade with the Jets to take our guy, but that seems incredibly unlikely.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Here we go.

Wow, Peter King says that Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch will be at Alabama's Pro Day to watch Mac Jones, while Adam Peters and others will be at Ohio State's Pro Day to watch Justin Fields.

Uhh...lots to be inferred from this, but Shanahan wants to watch Jones up close?

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) March 29, 2021

You're about 12 hrs late to the party NC

Technically, I'm ahead. I said the last of the connected media noting Mac Jones would be Peter King on Monday.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

You know how I feel about him and I'm really trying to wrap my head around the idea of given up 3 1sts and a 3rd...but I just can't justify it.

I thought Kyle would be smart enough to see through the fluff stats, all the RPOs/bubble screens, all the wide open WRs and easy reads all the max protections etc etc...

I thought he would finally get how important top end talent is after getting smoked by Allen, losing to Mahomes in the SB, getting beat by Murray and Wilson. I figured after that comment in the Bills games he finally got it...he could take an elite talent and destroy the league.

I was so stoked on Friday lol, literally something I've been wanting to happen as a SF fan for over 30 yrs....now it might turn into my nightmare scenario ha f**k me

Hang in there bud. There's always the other side of this as well. Biderman brought up the idea every connected media outlet might by noting Mac Jones because it's so believable to Kyle's M.O. to this point, it's calculated in hope that Saleh and Mike LaFleur take him instead. And even if it doesn't work, it might be a sign they still are targeting a more athletic mobile QB in Fields or Lance.