Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It wouldn't be my favorite or personal choice BUT I 100% would get it and would be behind it 5 minutes after the pick.

And all the smoke is mentally and emotionally preparing me for that fire.

I take solace in knowing every QB Kyle has worked with, he's got the most out of him. He's taken a talent like Matt Ryan and he got better and better and better.

That could be the case here and Matt Ryan is proof you never stop growing and developing even as a veteran. As a rookie, Jones is a perfect mold clay with 100% buy-in from the start (no push back like with Ryan).

It would mean Kyle would need to continue to invest in pass protection and THAT scares me far more than the pick itself.

Why can't you take a MUCH MUCH better piece of clay then? You keep saying his Matt Ryan, yet Ryan is like 15-20lbs bigger and 2/3 inches taller. He wasn't a pure in the pocket passer at BC (watch that Vtech game for example). He wasn't surrounded by elite talent. I don't think BC has been close to good since he left. It's not close to the same situation. I'd be vastly more impressed if he did what he did at BC and guys weren't constantly wide open.

If Kyle wants someone that can read progressions and throw the ball on time then go get someone on day 2 of the draft. Go get a Davis Mills or Trask... You don't spend 3 1sts and then some for that.

Ahhh there's the PP comment I was waiting for

I brought up the PP for you as a lean towards your want...it's less of an issue with the mobile QB's you want. Clearly more of an issue if he goes with Mac Jones. Right?

I don't know if Kyle values what you value in a QB as a primary driver. Like Hero said, if you simply watch the tape in isolation you see all of Kyle's traits...lightning quick delivery, progression reading, touch on short and deep balls that allow for optimal YAC, lightening decision making (including to run), watch his footwork and mechanics, how he moves IN the pocket and feels the pressure before it gets there as he slides into lanes keeping his eyes downfield, etc. You see all of Kyle's offense in that one video I reviewed too.

Also, you don't need to run a 4.3 to run a bootleg in Kyle's offense esp. in shot gun. It helps to have lateral speed and quickness in case McGlinchey and/or Kittle instantly blow their pass protection but it's certainly not a must. If you can slide fast enough into pocket lanes, you can run a bootleg.

I confirmed with Niners816 that of the 570 passing attempts, 142 were PA. He runs those just fine. So how many of the 142 do you think were bootlegs?

He thinks, at most 35 times A YEAR.

Originally posted by ritz126:
49ers watching Mac Jones instead of Fields
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/29/after-throwing-for-scouts-last-week-mac-jones-will-throw-again-on-tuesday/

Seems like we'd be almost drafting Jimmy to replace the current Jimmy. Definition of insanity, doing same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Dude Fields ain't a party kid. All three of these guys are deadly serious about the NFL.

if any of them are "party kids" it's the one with the DUI lol.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Jones isn't middle of the road in talent. You just keep forgetting field vision is a talent.

By the way, your claim that Jones' vision and processing is because of the line is false: Jones' average time in the pocket is faster than both of the other two (by a lot). It's not the line giving him more time. It's him seeing it quicker.

Fields: 2.73
Lance: 2.66
Jones: 2.49

Edit - Again, that is not to say that Jones is better overall. It's just IF he's third on the list, there isn't some vast gulf separating them. He's only significantly worse in athleticism.

This is possibly the worst stat to judge a QB on, Jones had the most amount of designed bubble screens and RPO's by a country mile. Lance had some and Fields' offense was mainly on longer developing routes and WR options which force a longer hold time.

There's still plenty of tape of Fields having a read and quick throw to make, and he's exceptional at it.

That's why you do more than look at stats. You watch the film, and it's clear as day. And all the "experts" saying Jones is fifth best agree on this particular trait.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Dude Fields ain't a party kid. All three of these guys are deadly serious about the NFL.

Didn't say he was just that is how OSU football rolls and was a huge problem with Haskins so that is something you want to look at.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by ritz126:
49ers watching Mac Jones instead of Fields
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/29/after-throwing-for-scouts-last-week-mac-jones-will-throw-again-on-tuesday/

Seems like we'd be almost drafting Jimmy to replace the current Jimmy. Definition of insanity, doing same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Definitely a cheaper version of him with the ability to develop him from scratch vs. Hoodie and his offense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Jones isn't middle of the road in talent. You just keep forgetting field vision is a talent.

By the way, your claim that Jones' vision and processing is because of the line is false: Jones' average time in the pocket is faster than both of the other two (by a lot). It's not the line giving him more time. It's him seeing it quicker.

Fields: 2.73
Lance: 2.66
Jones: 2.49

Edit - Again, that is not to say that Jones is better overall. It's just IF he's third on the list, there isn't some vast gulf separating them. He's only significantly worse in athleticism.

This is possibly the worst stat to judge a QB on, Jones had the most amount of designed bubble screens and RPO's by a country mile. Lance had some and Fields' offense was mainly on longer developing routes and WR options which force a longer hold time.

There's still plenty of tape of Fields having a read and quick throw to make, and he's exceptional at it.

It's a constant lazy take and valuing something that can be taught.

The romanticizing of Mac Jones is hilarious at this point. Everyone thinks he's running some ultimate pro-style offense and Lance and fields are some black one read QBs that scramble.

It can be taught, just like accuracy can be taught. So why do so few get better?

And for God's sake don't bring the race card in here when the main person you're arguing with here is me (lol).

Jones isn't great upstairs because he's white. He's great upstairs because he's slow. Because if he wasn't great upstairs he'd be starting his new insurance salesmen job. Because he has little by way of athleticism.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by ritz126:
49ers watching Mac Jones instead of Fields
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/29/after-throwing-for-scouts-last-week-mac-jones-will-throw-again-on-tuesday/

Seems like we'd be almost drafting Jimmy to replace the current Jimmy. Definition of insanity, doing same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Definitely a cheaper version of him with the ability to develop him from scratch vs. Hoodie and his offense.

Didn't he develop Brady?

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by ritz126:
49ers watching Mac Jones instead of Fields
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/29/after-throwing-for-scouts-last-week-mac-jones-will-throw-again-on-tuesday/

Seems like we'd be almost drafting Jimmy to replace the current Jimmy. Definition of insanity, doing same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Definitely a cheaper version of him with the ability to develop him from scratch vs. Hoodie and his offense.

Didn't he develop Brady?

Nothing wrong with that offense...just noting it's different from Kyle's.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

You know how I feel about him and I'm really trying to wrap my head around the idea of given up 3 1sts and a 3rd...but I just can't justify it.

I thought Kyle would be smart enough to see through the fluff stats, all the RPOs/bubble screens, all the wide open WRs and easy reads all the max protections etc etc...

I thought he would finally get how important top end talent is after getting smoked by Allen, losing to Mahomes in the SB, getting beat by Murray and Wilson. I figured after that comment in the Bills games he finally got it...he could take an elite talent and destroy the league.

I was so stoked on Friday lol, literally something I've been wanting to happen as a SF fan for over 30 yrs....now it might turn into my nightmare scenario ha f**k me

Hang in there bud. There's always the other side of this as well. Biderman brought up the idea every connected media outlet might by noting Mac Jones because it's so believable to Kyle's M.O. to this point, it's calculated in hope that Saleh and Mike LaFleur take him instead. And even if it doesn't work, it might be a sign they still are targeting a more athletic mobile QB in Fields or Lance.

True.

And also all of you need to chill. Even if it's Jones, HE IS GOOD. They are ALL good. Just because a guy can't scramble doesn't mean he can't win. People are losing their s**t because they want a TYPE.

I 100% guarantee you on THIS team, all three are going to be thriving by year two or three.

I mean JEEEEZUS, I'm still smiling ear to ear because I KNOW that no matter who we pick, and this team is going to be better. How in the world some of you only see that if an elite scrambler is drafted amazes me. ALL THREE — on THIS team, with THIS staff and THIS culture — are going to be difference makers.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Lynch and Kyle going to Alabama. Adam Peters and other staff members are going to Ohio State. I don't know if that has any meaning. I just can't imagine that they would give up 2 firsts and a 3rd to move up and draft a player that may have been available at #12. I'll be disappointed if that's their choice. I just don't see anything special. He looks like a lot of QBs in the NFL, including Jimmy and Cousins.

Well I'm hoping they draft Fields. I've been wanting a Steve Young 2.0 at the QB position ever since I've seen what a physically limited Jimmy could do in Kyle's system.

Regarding the two firsts given up for pick #3, rams and seadderall have been giving up all their firsts for years and they've not gone to bottom feeding status. I agree a first round pick is a priceless nowadays, but at least kyle is betting on himself and what he can do to coach up a young rookie (hopefully Fields). Vs having to overpay for a Super star veteran. Not only do you lose draft picks but cap space when trading for a veteran vs moving up in the draft to #3.

I think its way to early to say ShanaLynch is all in on Mac. They may be leaning, but its not a done deal. I think they have yet to personally meet Fields and Lance, and if they can meet either one of them personally, that might radially change the direction of their lean.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Definitely a cheaper version of him with the ability to develop him from scratch vs. Hoodie and his offense.

So do that with another 2nd rd pick like Davis Mills...literally can do all the same s**t and actually has a better arm. You have a top 10 pick in Josh Rosen sitting on your bench as well, for free.

Nah let's give up yrs of 1sts for someone that has the ceiling of Kirk Cousins...but actually doesn't run PA/boot plays (like kirk did coming out of MSU) that are the foundation of his offense. RPOs and bubble screens all over the place at Bama. He doesn't even run a similar offense overall compared to Fields/Lance, especially Lance.

Originally posted by ritz126:
49ers watching Mac Jones instead of Fields
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/29/after-throwing-for-scouts-last-week-mac-jones-will-throw-again-on-tuesday/

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
True.

And also all of you need to chill. Even if it's Jones, HE IS GOOD. They are ALL good. Just because a guy can't scramble doesn't mean he can't win. People are losing their s**t because they want a TYPE.

I 100% guarantee you on THIS team, all three are going to be thriving by year two or three.

I mean JEEEEZUS, I'm still smiling ear to ear because I KNOW that no matter who we pick, and this team is going to be better. How in the world some of you only see that if an elite scrambler is drafted amazes me. ALL THREE — on THIS team, with THIS staff and THIS culture — are going to be difference makers.

I agree with this.

I'm a Mac Jones fan....and a Fields fan.....and a Lance fan. LOL. And although I hope Fields is the selection, I would not be running out with a torch if we selected Mac.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

You know how I feel about him and I'm really trying to wrap my head around the idea of given up 3 1sts and a 3rd...but I just can't justify it.

I thought Kyle would be smart enough to see through the fluff stats, all the RPOs/bubble screens, all the wide open WRs and easy reads all the max protections etc etc...

I thought he would finally get how important top end talent is after getting smoked by Allen, losing to Mahomes in the SB, getting beat by Murray and Wilson. I figured after that comment in the Bills games he finally got it...he could take an elite talent and destroy the league.

I was so stoked on Friday lol, literally something I've been wanting to happen as a SF fan for over 30 yrs....now it might turn into my nightmare scenario ha f**k me

Hang in there bud. There's always the other side of this as well. Biderman brought up the idea every connected media outlet might by noting Mac Jones because it's so believable to Kyle's M.O. to this point, it's calculated in hope that Saleh and Mike LaFleur take him instead. And even if it doesn't work, it might be a sign they still are targeting a more athletic mobile QB in Fields or Lance.

True.

And also all of you need to chill. Even if it's Jones, HE IS GOOD. They are ALL good. Just because a guy can't scramble doesn't mean he can't win. People are losing their s**t because they want a TYPE.

I 100% guarantee you on THIS team, all three are going to be thriving by year two or three.

I mean JEEEEZUS, I'm still smiling ear to ear because I KNOW that no matter who we pick, and this team is going to be better. How in the world some of you only see that if an elite scrambler is drafted amazes me. ALL THREE — on THIS team, with THIS staff and THIS culture — are going to be difference makers.

That's how I view it too. I'm not locked in to one type or one QB. You just need to keep an open mind and let Kyle go get his guy. You know Kyle is going to develop him the best he can and get the most out of him. It won't be a BeatHard-type of pick. It's first round traits he'll be working with.