Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

You know how I feel about him and I'm really trying to wrap my head around the idea of given up 3 1sts and a 3rd...but I just can't justify it.

I thought Kyle would be smart enough to see through the fluff stats, all the RPOs/bubble screens, all the wide open WRs and easy reads all the max protections etc etc...

I thought he would finally get how important top end talent is after getting smoked by Allen, losing to Mahomes in the SB, getting beat by Murray and Wilson. I figured after that comment in the Bills games he finally got it...he could take an elite talent and destroy the league.

I was so stoked on Friday lol, literally something I've been wanting to happen as a SF fan for over 30 yrs....now it might turn into my nightmare scenario ha f**k me

Hang in there bud. There's always the other side of this as well. Biderman brought up the idea every connected media outlet might by noting Mac Jones because it's so believable to Kyle's M.O. to this point, it's calculated in hope that Saleh and Mike LaFleur take him instead. And even if it doesn't work, it might be a sign they still are targeting a more athletic mobile QB in Fields or Lance.

True.

And also all of you need to chill. Even if it's Jones, HE IS GOOD. They are ALL good. Just because a guy can't scramble doesn't mean he can't win. People are losing their s**t because they want a TYPE.

I 100% guarantee you on THIS team, all three are going to be thriving by year two or three.

I mean JEEEEZUS, I'm still smiling ear to ear because I KNOW that no matter who we pick, and this team is going to be better. How in the world some of you only see that if an elite scrambler is drafted amazes me. ALL THREE — on THIS team, with THIS staff and THIS culture — are going to be difference makers.

i agree i like all 3

why i still think its Lance is if its Mac Jones or Fields they are more pro ready and ready to start day 1 than Lance is which is why i think we keep Jimmy G this year and it looks like we are

I said in another thread but Fields isn't a system fit here and Mac Jones is without a doubt the most accurate out of the three his ball placement is extremely good and he does have great pocket presence and post snap reads I get he is the last exciting QB (why i prefer Lance over him) but he would be a good pick

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

You know how I feel about him and I'm really trying to wrap my head around the idea of given up 3 1sts and a 3rd...but I just can't justify it.

I thought Kyle would be smart enough to see through the fluff stats, all the RPOs/bubble screens, all the wide open WRs and easy reads all the max protections etc etc...

I thought he would finally get how important top end talent is after getting smoked by Allen, losing to Mahomes in the SB, getting beat by Murray and Wilson. I figured after that comment in the Bills games he finally got it...he could take an elite talent and destroy the league.

I was so stoked on Friday lol, literally something I've been wanting to happen as a SF fan for over 30 yrs....now it might turn into my nightmare scenario ha f**k me

Hang in there bud. There's always the other side of this as well. Biderman brought up the idea every connected media outlet might by noting Mac Jones because it's so believable to Kyle's M.O. to this point, it's calculated in hope that Saleh and Mike LaFleur take him instead. And even if it doesn't work, it might be a sign they still are targeting a more athletic mobile QB in Fields or Lance.

True.

And also all of you need to chill. Even if it's Jones, HE IS GOOD. They are ALL good. Just because a guy can't scramble doesn't mean he can't win. People are losing their s**t because they want a TYPE.

I 100% guarantee you on THIS team, all three are going to be thriving by year two or three.

I mean JEEEEZUS, I'm still smiling ear to ear because I KNOW that no matter who we pick, and this team is going to be better. How in the world some of you only see that if an elite scrambler is drafted amazes me. ALL THREE — on THIS team, with THIS staff and THIS culture — are going to be difference makers.

Agree. I think people are losing their s**t because of what they gave up to move to #3 if they select Jones. When it was entirely possible...maybe not probable... he would be there at #12. My issue is that. I would rather have kept the 2022 and 2023 picks and rolled the dice that Jones is there at 12, than lose those picks to reach for him #3. Worse case scenario, you roll with Jimmy and add Pitts or even Slater at 12.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It wouldn't be my favorite or personal choice BUT I 100% would get it and would be behind it 5 minutes after the pick.

And all the smoke is mentally and emotionally preparing me for that fire.

I take solace in knowing every QB Kyle has worked with, he's got the most out of him. He's taken a talent like Matt Ryan and he got better and better and better.

That could be the case here and Matt Ryan is proof you never stop growing and developing even as a veteran. As a rookie, Jones is a perfect mold clay with 100% buy-in from the start (no push back like with Ryan).

It would mean Kyle would need to continue to invest in pass protection and THAT scares me far more than the pick itself.

Why can't you take a MUCH MUCH better piece of clay then? You keep saying his Matt Ryan, yet Ryan is like 15-20lbs bigger and 2/3 inches taller. He wasn't a pure in the pocket passer at BC (watch that Vtech game for example). He wasn't surrounded by elite talent. I don't think BC has been close to good since he left. It's not close to the same situation. I'd be vastly more impressed if he did what he did at BC and guys weren't constantly wide open.

If Kyle wants someone that can read progressions and throw the ball on time then go get someone on day 2 of the draft. Go get a Davis Mills or Trask... You don't spend 3 1sts and then some for that.

Ahhh there's the PP comment I was waiting for

Because they — and no one else in this draft most likely — will be as good between the ears as Jones.

But again, you may be losing your mind too early here. Given the capital they traded, even if they have a good idea who they want, they'll do the due diligence on the others. And in fact that may be a sign they are leaning to Lance, since they're doing their last minute homework on Jones.

Nevertheless, in the interest of your mental health, you might want to watch more Jones so you can see that he has the best ball placement of everyone in the draft too. Otherwise you're going to be in a mental rut for a couple of years if we pick Jones (until he proves your fears are overblown).

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

You know how I feel about him and I'm really trying to wrap my head around the idea of given up 3 1sts and a 3rd...but I just can't justify it.

I thought Kyle would be smart enough to see through the fluff stats, all the RPOs/bubble screens, all the wide open WRs and easy reads all the max protections etc etc...

I thought he would finally get how important top end talent is after getting smoked by Allen, losing to Mahomes in the SB, getting beat by Murray and Wilson. I figured after that comment in the Bills games he finally got it...he could take an elite talent and destroy the league.

I was so stoked on Friday lol, literally something I've been wanting to happen as a SF fan for over 30 yrs....now it might turn into my nightmare scenario ha f**k me

Hang in there bud. There's always the other side of this as well. Biderman brought up the idea every connected media outlet might by noting Mac Jones because it's so believable to Kyle's M.O. to this point, it's calculated in hope that Saleh and Mike LaFleur take him instead. And even if it doesn't work, it might be a sign they still are targeting a more athletic mobile QB in Fields or Lance.

True.

And also all of you need to chill. Even if it's Jones, HE IS GOOD. They are ALL good. Just because a guy can't scramble doesn't mean he can't win. People are losing their s**t because they want a TYPE.

I 100% guarantee you on THIS team, all three are going to be thriving by year two or three.

I mean JEEEEZUS, I'm still smiling ear to ear because I KNOW that no matter who we pick, and this team is going to be better. How in the world some of you only see that if an elite scrambler is drafted amazes me. ALL THREE — on THIS team, with THIS staff and THIS culture — are going to be difference makers.

Agree. I think people are losing their s**t because of what they gave up to move to #3 if they select Jones. When it was entirely possible...maybe not probable... he would be there at #12. My issue is that. I would rather have kept the 2022 and 2023 picks and rolled the dice that Jones is there at 12, than lose those picks to reach for him #3. Worse case scenario, you roll with Jimmy and add Pitts or even Slater at 12.

i dont know if all three will thrive a lot depends on situation and coaching but we by far have the best of all the teams in that regard. This is a SB level roster and coaching is probably top 3 if not higher.

It isnt like 2005 when we had a roster worthy of a expansion team.

I think all three qbs will do well here

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Definitely a cheaper version of him with the ability to develop him from scratch vs. Hoodie and his offense.

So do that with another 2nd rd pick like Davis Mills...literally can do all the same s**t and actually has a better arm. You have a top 10 pick in Josh Rosen sitting on your bench as well, for free.

Nah let's give up yrs of 1sts for someone that has the ceiling of Kirk Cousins...but actually doesn't run PA/boot plays (like kirk did coming out of MSU) that are the foundation of his offense. RPOs and bubble screens all over the place at Bama. He doesn't even run a similar offense overall compared to Fields/Lance, especially Lance.

I don't get the ceiling and floor talk, personally. If you have the traits to work from within an NFL pocket, those skills, like golfing, never stop developing. Ever. Tom Brady and Joe Montana never stopped working on those skills or the mental processing to advance them. There is no ceiling for that.

You keep saying it's the foundation of the offense while ignoring what I just posted again. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:
I brought up the PP for you as a lean towards your want...it's less of an issue with the mobile QB's you want. Clearly more of an issue if he goes with Mac Jones. Right?

I don't know if Kyle values what you value in a QB as a primary driver. Like Hero said, if you simply watch the tape in isolation you see all of Kyle's traits...lightning quick delivery, progression reading, touch on short and deep balls that allow for optimal YAC, lightening decision making (including to run), watch his footwork and mechanics, how he moves IN the pocket and feels the pressure before it gets there as he slides into lanes keeping his eyes downfield, etc. You see all of Kyle's offense in that one video I reviewed too.

Also, you don't need to run a 4.3 to run a bootleg in Kyle's offense esp. in shot gun. It helps to have lateral speed and quickness in case McGlinchey and/or Kittle instantly blow their pass protection but it's certainly not a must. If you can slide fast enough into pocket lanes, you can run a bootleg.

I confirmed with Niners816 that of the 570 passing attempts, 142 were PA. He runs those just fine. So how many of the 142 do you think were bootlegs?

He thinks, at most 35 times A YEAR.

Lighten quick delivery? disagree there....Lance and wilson have a quicker release then Jones. Go watch his pro day.

Again, everyone tells me Kyle schemes guys open, so where's all the "progression reads"? over 60% of NFL completions are on the 1st read. The whole progression thing is so dramatized in here. This isn't the 90s where a QB sits back goes through all his reads every down. League is different now. Hence why there hasn't been a successful QB with his attributes drafted in the past 5 yrs.

His footwork in structure and on drop backs is nice...once things get muddy and he has to move, he's no better than any of the top 4 QBs.

Kyle runs boots from under center more than shotgun overall. Jones lateral quickness based off his pro day numbers are down right horrible. He will get crushed in the NFL when he realizes his first read isn't wide open and he actually has to make a play out of structure. Windows are tighter, guys are faster, and you MOST certainly don't have the best team top to bottom every week you step onto the field.

It's the same s**t that we saw with Tua, there isn't a think Jones does better than him and Tua struggled.

Like I said you're romanticizing Jones to the level of a HOF caliber QB like Brady/Ryan etc. If Jones played on Iowa state his draft profile would say....has a chance to start or at the very least be a long term backup in the league for the next 10 yrs.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

You know how I feel about him and I'm really trying to wrap my head around the idea of given up 3 1sts and a 3rd...but I just can't justify it.

I thought Kyle would be smart enough to see through the fluff stats, all the RPOs/bubble screens, all the wide open WRs and easy reads all the max protections etc etc...

I thought he would finally get how important top end talent is after getting smoked by Allen, losing to Mahomes in the SB, getting beat by Murray and Wilson. I figured after that comment in the Bills games he finally got it...he could take an elite talent and destroy the league.

I was so stoked on Friday lol, literally something I've been wanting to happen as a SF fan for over 30 yrs....now it might turn into my nightmare scenario ha f**k me

Hang in there bud. There's always the other side of this as well. Biderman brought up the idea every connected media outlet might by noting Mac Jones because it's so believable to Kyle's M.O. to this point, it's calculated in hope that Saleh and Mike LaFleur take him instead. And even if it doesn't work, it might be a sign they still are targeting a more athletic mobile QB in Fields or Lance.

True.

And also all of you need to chill. Even if it's Jones, HE IS GOOD. They are ALL good. Just because a guy can't scramble doesn't mean he can't win. People are losing their s**t because they want a TYPE.

I 100% guarantee you on THIS team, all three are going to be thriving by year two or three.

I mean JEEEEZUS, I'm still smiling ear to ear because I KNOW that no matter who we pick, and this team is going to be better. How in the world some of you only see that if an elite scrambler is drafted amazes me. ALL THREE — on THIS team, with THIS staff and THIS culture — are going to be difference makers.

Agree. I think people are losing their s**t because of what they gave up to move to #3 if they select Jones. When it was entirely possible...maybe not probable... he would be there at #12. My issue is that. I would rather have kept the 2022 and 2023 picks and rolled the dice that Jones is there at 12, than lose those picks to reach for him #3. Worse case scenario, you roll with Jimmy and add Pitts or even Slater at 12.

Agreed and it's why I highly doubt Jones is the pick. You trade the farm for upside not to play it safe with Jimmy G Jr.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I've been a huge Mac homer but I just don't see it at #3.

But there is no reason at all for the 49ers to have a smokescreen unless they feel the Jets are up to something.

You know how I feel about him and I'm really trying to wrap my head around the idea of given up 3 1sts and a 3rd...but I just can't justify it.

I thought Kyle would be smart enough to see through the fluff stats, all the RPOs/bubble screens, all the wide open WRs and easy reads all the max protections etc etc...

I thought he would finally get how important top end talent is after getting smoked by Allen, losing to Mahomes in the SB, getting beat by Murray and Wilson. I figured after that comment in the Bills games he finally got it...he could take an elite talent and destroy the league.

I was so stoked on Friday lol, literally something I've been wanting to happen as a SF fan for over 30 yrs....now it might turn into my nightmare scenario ha f**k me

Hang in there bud. There's always the other side of this as well. Biderman brought up the idea every connected media outlet might by noting Mac Jones because it's so believable to Kyle's M.O. to this point, it's calculated in hope that Saleh and Mike LaFleur take him instead. And even if it doesn't work, it might be a sign they still are targeting a more athletic mobile QB in Fields or Lance.

True.

And also all of you need to chill. Even if it's Jones, HE IS GOOD. They are ALL good. Just because a guy can't scramble doesn't mean he can't win. People are losing their s**t because they want a TYPE.

I 100% guarantee you on THIS team, all three are going to be thriving by year two or three.

I mean JEEEEZUS, I'm still smiling ear to ear because I KNOW that no matter who we pick, and this team is going to be better. How in the world some of you only see that if an elite scrambler is drafted amazes me. ALL THREE — on THIS team, with THIS staff and THIS culture — are going to be difference makers.

Agree. I think people are losing their s**t because of what they gave up to move to #3 if they select Jones. When it was entirely possible...maybe not probable... he would be there at #12. My issue is that. I would rather have kept the 2022 and 2023 picks and rolled the dice that Jones is there at 12, than lose those picks to reach for him #3. Worse case scenario, you roll with Jimmy and add Pitts or even Slater at 12.

But then you lose out on your FQB. Then what? Atlanta and Detroit are 2 teams that have run offenses with classic drop back QB's since the dawn of time. Carolina wouldn't surprise me either. That means the one classic QB of the 5 is gone before 12. Now what? You think we'll be in that position again with this strong of a QB class?

All it takes is one team taking your guy and it's over.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't get the ceiling and floor talk, personally. If you have the traits to work from within an NFL pocket, those skills, like golfing, never stop developing. Ever. Tom Brady and Joe Montana never stopped working on those skills or the mental processing to advance them. There is no ceiling for that.

You keep saying it's the foundation of the offense while ignoring what I just posted again. LOL

i agree with this

you dont really have a ceiling if you have elite pocket presence a quick release and have great accuracy/ball placement and can do pre and post snap reads

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It wouldn't be my favorite or personal choice BUT I 100% would get it and would be behind it 5 minutes after the pick.

And all the smoke is mentally and emotionally preparing me for that fire.

I take solace in knowing every QB Kyle has worked with, he's got the most out of him. He's taken a talent like Matt Ryan and he got better and better and better.

That could be the case here and Matt Ryan is proof you never stop growing and developing even as a veteran. As a rookie, Jones is a perfect mold clay with 100% buy-in from the start (no push back like with Ryan).

It would mean Kyle would need to continue to invest in pass protection and THAT scares me far more than the pick itself.

Why can't you take a MUCH MUCH better piece of clay then? You keep saying his Matt Ryan, yet Ryan is like 15-20lbs bigger and 2/3 inches taller. He wasn't a pure in the pocket passer at BC (watch that Vtech game for example). He wasn't surrounded by elite talent. I don't think BC has been close to good since he left. It's not close to the same situation. I'd be vastly more impressed if he did what he did at BC and guys weren't constantly wide open.

If Kyle wants someone that can read progressions and throw the ball on time then go get someone on day 2 of the draft. Go get a Davis Mills or Trask... You don't spend 3 1sts and then some for that.

Ahhh there's the PP comment I was waiting for

I brought up the PP for you as a lean towards your want...it's less of an issue with the mobile QB's you want. Clearly more of an issue if he goes with Mac Jones. Right?

I don't know if Kyle values what you value in a QB as a primary driver. Like Hero said, if you simply watch the tape in isolation you see all of Kyle's traits...lightning quick delivery, progression reading, touch on short and deep balls that allow for optimal YAC, lightening decision making (including to run), watch his footwork and mechanics, how he moves IN the pocket and feels the pressure before it gets there as he slides into lanes keeping his eyes downfield, etc. You see all of Kyle's offense in that one video I reviewed too.

Also, you don't need to run a 4.3 to run a bootleg in Kyle's offense esp. in shot gun. It helps to have lateral speed and quickness in case McGlinchey and/or Kittle instantly blow their pass protection but it's certainly not a must. If you can slide fast enough into pocket lanes, you can run a bootleg.

I confirmed with Niners816 that of the 570 passing attempts, 142 were PA. He runs those just fine. So how many of the 142 do you think were bootlegs?

He thinks, at most 35 times A YEAR.

I see your point about what Kyle likes. Its his system, and its more of an air Coryell approach than a west coast approach. In my opinion. I.e. strong run game and a QB that can deliver the deep strike. Versus a more Walshian approach of a mobile QB and the short passing game.

Kyle isn't the ball control kind of 49er coach that I've been used to in the past, he's really aggressive and wants that big explosive run or pass play that is more Sid Gillman in approach.

He'll need to really keep that OLine very strong and get and keep a top notch OLine coach if he's going to be sid Gilman philosophically and have a pocket QB to run his system.

Fun facts:
-Of Jones' 424 attempts this season, 145 of them were thrown to pass-catchers at or behind the line of scrimmage, good for a rate of 34.1%. That's high. Really high. Joe Burrow, who he is incorrectly compared to, was 16.6%

-Of Jones' 4,500 passing yards, more than half (53.5%) was via yards after the catch. And absolutely, YAC can sometimes be aided by a super-accurate pass or a quarterback throwing to the right receiver in rhythm. Jones did those things in 2020 for the Crimson Tide. But check how his YAC percentage of 53.5 compares to those same group of recent Round 1 passers: Highest in the last 3 years of any Qb drafted in R1 except Tua........hmm.

-In 2020, only 11.3% of Jones pass attempts were made out of the pocket -- again, scheme -- but that low figure does hint at his lack of playmaking ability, a skill becoming increasingly important to the modern-day quarterback. For comparison, Justin Fields, who many rightfully criticize for some awkward improvisations, threw 21.5% of his passes outside of the friendly confines of the pocket this season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The fact that not a single person new about SF being interested in moving up in this draft or really loving any of the QBs, leads me to believe no one has a clue who they want...it's all about Kyle and Kirk Cousins connections forever and who "looks" most like that? McCorkle.

There ya go! Now consider the reality that they probably want to do due diligence on every QB. Maybe they've spent more time evaluating Lance and want to use the time before the draft to make sure McCorkle isn't a better fit?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Because they — and no one else in this draft most likely — will be as good between the ears as Jones.

But again, you may be losing your mind too early here. Given the capital they traded, even if they have a good idea who they want, they'll do the due diligence on the others. And in fact that may be a sign they are leaning to Lance, since they're doing their last minute homework on Jones.

Nevertheless, in the interest of your mental health, you might want to watch more Jones so you can see that he has the best ball placement of everyone in the draft too. Otherwise you're going to be in a mental rut for a couple of years if we pick Jones (until he proves your fears are overblown).

I'm sorry why can't they be better between the ears? Why can't any of these super young kids be better than him? That's a learned trait.

Dude I've watched Jones plenty...it was wide open throw after wide open throw. Tons of RPOs and bubble screens. Yes he had some great throws, but so does everyone.

I watched Jones' and Lance's pro day back to back yesterday and it was so painfully obvious how much better of a thrower Lance was. His arm talent is worlds better. The ball spins of his hands so much better. You can find "ball placement" and heady QB play every single yr in the draft. A lot of those guys aren't lucky enough to play for Bama and get recognized like he did though.

Only way he proves me wrong is if he turns into a manning type prospect and I'll go ahead and say that's more than likely not happening.

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
True.

And also all of you need to chill. Even if it's Jones, HE IS GOOD. They are ALL good. Just because a guy can't scramble doesn't mean he can't win. People are losing their s**t because they want a TYPE.

I 100% guarantee you on THIS team, all three are going to be thriving by year two or three.

I mean JEEEEZUS, I'm still smiling ear to ear because I KNOW that no matter who we pick, and this team is going to be better. How in the world some of you only see that if an elite scrambler is drafted amazes me. ALL THREE — on THIS team, with THIS staff and THIS culture — are going to be difference makers.

I agree with this.

I'm a Mac Jones fan....and a Fields fan.....and a Lance fan. LOL. And although I hope Fields is the selection, I would not be running out with a torch if we selected Mac.

Agree, I'm torn between all three of them.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I brought up the PP for you as a lean towards your want...it's less of an issue with the mobile QB's you want. Clearly more of an issue if he goes with Mac Jones. Right?

I don't know if Kyle values what you value in a QB as a primary driver. Like Hero said, if you simply watch the tape in isolation you see all of Kyle's traits...lightning quick delivery, progression reading, touch on short and deep balls that allow for optimal YAC, lightening decision making (including to run), watch his footwork and mechanics, how he moves IN the pocket and feels the pressure before it gets there as he slides into lanes keeping his eyes downfield, etc. You see all of Kyle's offense in that one video I reviewed too.

Also, you don't need to run a 4.3 to run a bootleg in Kyle's offense esp. in shot gun. It helps to have lateral speed and quickness in case McGlinchey and/or Kittle instantly blow their pass protection but it's certainly not a must. If you can slide fast enough into pocket lanes, you can run a bootleg.

I confirmed with Niners816 that of the 570 passing attempts, 142 were PA. He runs those just fine. So how many of the 142 do you think were bootlegs?

He thinks, at most 35 times A YEAR.

Lighten quick delivery? disagree there....Lance and wilson have a quicker release then Jones. Go watch his pro day.

Again, everyone tells me Kyle schemes guys open, so where's all the "progression reads"? over 60% of NFL completions are on the 1st read. The whole progression thing is so dramatized in here. This isn't the 90s where a QB sits back goes through all his reads every down. League is different now. Hence why there hasn't been a successful QB with his attributes drafted in the past 5 yrs.

His footwork in structure and on drop backs is nice...once things get muddy and he has to move, he's no better than any of the top 4 QBs.

Kyle runs boots from under center more than shotgun overall. Jones lateral quickness based off his pro day numbers are down right horrible. He will get crushed in the NFL when he realizes his first read isn't wide open and he actually has to make a play out of structure. Windows are tighter, guys are faster, and you MOST certainly don't have the best team top to bottom every week you step onto the field.

It's the same s**t that we saw with Tua, there isn't a think Jones does better than him and Tua struggled.

Like I said you're romanticizing Jones to the level of a HOF caliber QB like Brady/Ryan etc. If Jones played on Iowa state his draft profile would say....has a chance to start or at the very least be a long term backup in the league for the next 10 yrs.

Absolutely the most compact quick delivery. And it's effortless.

60%. Great, then Kyle is doing his job and making life easier on him. But that 40% when he's not schemed open, his mental processing and quick decision making and delivery will be maximized esp. in the RZ and on 3rd downs.

So Kyle runs 15 bootlegs a year instead of 35. LOL. He increases PA or his strengths more. Non issue from a play calling standpoint. If he had Fields, Kyle would run 50 bootlegs instead. Just style. He's coming to a stacked team and knows how to use his weapons. That translates well, right?

Tua has nothing to do with Kyle and his offense here.

The only one romanticizing is you with an athletic mobile QB. I'm just connecting the obvious dots and watching the smoke to see if there is, in fact a fire. And I won't freak out if there is.