Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Because they — and no one else in this draft most likely — will be as good between the ears as Jones.
But again, you may be losing your mind too early here. Given the capital they traded, even if they have a good idea who they want, they'll do the due diligence on the others. And in fact that may be a sign they are leaning to Lance, since they're doing their last minute homework on Jones.
Nevertheless, in the interest of your mental health, you might want to watch more Jones so you can see that he has the best ball placement of everyone in the draft too. Otherwise you're going to be in a mental rut for a couple of years if we pick Jones (until he proves your fears are overblown).
I'm sorry why can't they be better between the ears? Why can't any of these super young kids be better than him? That's a learned trait.
Dude I've watched Jones plenty...it was wide open throw after wide open throw. Tons of RPOs and bubble screens. Yes he had some great throws, but so does everyone.
I watched Jones' and Lance's pro day back to back yesterday and it was so painfully obvious how much better of a thrower Lance was. His arm talent is worlds better. The ball spins of his hands so much better. You can find "ball placement" and heady QB play every single yr in the draft. A lot of those guys aren't lucky enough to play for Bama and get recognized like he did though.
Only way he proves me wrong is if he turns into a manning type prospect and I'll go ahead and say that's more than likely not happening.
If it's a learned trait, why do few get better? None of these other guys were teaching the offense to new coaches.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I brought up the PP for you as a lean towards your want...it's less of an issue with the mobile QB's you want. Clearly more of an issue if he goes with Mac Jones. Right?
I don't know if Kyle values what you value in a QB as a primary driver. Like Hero said, if you simply watch the tape in isolation you see all of Kyle's traits...lightning quick delivery, progression reading, touch on short and deep balls that allow for optimal YAC, lightening decision making (including to run), watch his footwork and mechanics, how he moves IN the pocket and feels the pressure before it gets there as he slides into lanes keeping his eyes downfield, etc. You see all of Kyle's offense in that one video I reviewed too.
Also, you don't need to run a 4.3 to run a bootleg in Kyle's offense esp. in shot gun. It helps to have lateral speed and quickness in case McGlinchey and/or Kittle instantly blow their pass protection but it's certainly not a must. If you can slide fast enough into pocket lanes, you can run a bootleg.
I confirmed with Niners816 that of the 570 passing attempts, 142 were PA. He runs those just fine. So how many of the 142 do you think were bootlegs?
He thinks, at most 35 times A YEAR.
Lighten quick delivery? disagree there....Lance and wilson have a quicker release then Jones. Go watch his pro day.
Again, everyone tells me Kyle schemes guys open, so where's all the "progression reads"? over 60% of NFL completions are on the 1st read. The whole progression thing is so dramatized in here. This isn't the 90s where a QB sits back goes through all his reads every down. League is different now. Hence why there hasn't been a successful QB with his attributes drafted in the past 5 yrs.
His footwork in structure and on drop backs is nice...once things get muddy and he has to move, he's no better than any of the top 4 QBs.
Kyle runs boots from under center more than shotgun overall. Jones lateral quickness based off his pro day numbers are down right horrible. He will get crushed in the NFL when he realizes his first read isn't wide open and he actually has to make a play out of structure. Windows are tighter, guys are faster, and you MOST certainly don't have the best team top to bottom every week you step onto the field.
It's the same s**t that we saw with Tua, there isn't a think Jones does better than him and Tua struggled.
Like I said you're romanticizing Jones to the level of a HOF caliber QB like Brady/Ryan etc. If Jones played on Iowa state his draft profile would say....has a chance to start or at the very least be a long term backup in the league for the next 10 yrs.
Absolutely the most compact quick delivery. And it's effortless.
60%. Great, then Kyle is doing his job and making life easier on him. But that 40% when he's not schemed open, his mental processing and quick decision making and delivery will be maximized esp. in the RZ and on 3rd downs.
So Kyle runs 15 bootlegs a year instead of 35. LOL. He increases PA or his strengths more. Non issue from a play calling standpoint. If he had Fields, Kyle would run 50 bootlegs instead. Just style. He's coming to a stacked team and knows how to use his weapons. That translates well, right?
Tua has nothing to do with Kyle and his offense here.
The only one romanticizing is you with an athletic mobile QB. I'm just connecting the obvious dots and watching the smoke to see if there is, in fact a fire. And I won't freak out if there is. 
Yeah me neither. Kyle likes what he likes. It's entirely possible he does something he hasn't done before. It's also entirely possible he likes ALL THREE of these guys, and why wouldn't he? This is one of the best QB classes in years.
But if he likes Jones, consider the positives instead of the negatives:
*no more constant cover 1 because Jones has an accurate deep ball when pads come on
*no more having the QB stare at Kittle on 3rd down in the red zone while he's wide open and then throwing the ball to the covered rb underneath
*no more watching WRs damn near break their back catching a pass thrown behind them
*no more ambulance passes
Lots to like even if it's the plane jane QB.
In fact all three have me lactating here.
