Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by irishluder:
Problem is, same as Wilson, he's played himself to where we can't land him unless we trade up

I doubt it. I don't see 5 QBs going in the first 15 picks. Not a chance that Jones goes before Lawrence and Fields and its highly unlikely that he goes before Wilson and Lance, even if he wins the NC. NFL teams put a huge premium on QB upside and those guys are all ahead of Jones in terms of pure physical ability.

That will also be to Jones's advantage. Less likely that he winds up on a bad team or one that is in major flux. With his skillset, he needs to go somewhere with a well established offensive system where he can simply follow an existing script the way he's doing at Bama. Put him with the Saints, 49ers, Patriots or Colts and I think he has a good chance of success.

Put him with a team like the Bears, Lions or WFC and the odds of him flopping increase considerably.

I saw someone describe him as a guy that could develop into your franchise QB but he can't be the face of your rebuild and I think that is pretty spot on.

Yeah I'd be surprised if Jones was a first round unless it's on the bottom part of the first round. As good as he's played I feel like teams may actually downplay his performance due to the talent on that team.

Combine will be interesting this year.

I agree that Jones as a pure talent eval is a 2nd rounder, but there are so many QB hungry teams that will covet his deep ball accuracy and football IQ, my initial draft dream once Wilson played himself out of our reach was to trade down and get Horn DB and Jones at QB and best OG/C with the new 2nd rounder. But since he's a QB he will be drafted higher than his talent level and be a top half 1st pick... I hope I'm wrong but he's much higher than Trask and there are plenty of teams that will trade up for Jones to snag a QB. I agree Phoenix if he goes to a bad team and is forced to play early he will be damaged goods, he needs a year to sit and acclimate to the NFL game.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
You guys realize guys like Smith and Waddle when he was playing are so wide open it's ridiculous.

Mac Jones is not the first QB to play with elite talent at WR. Bama was in the same place a year ago with Jeudy and Ruggs in addition to the rest. Now Waddle is gone but Jones is consistently still hitting his receivers accurately and in stride. Blaming him for having good talent around him is like blaming Wilson for playing mostly garbage tier competition.

Same thing with Tua last year and he's not exactly proving he's better than or close to Burrow or Herbert.

Tua was out for a year with an injury, came back with a limited training camp and has done nothing to make anyone believe that he'll be a poor QB in the NFL. Its pretty ridiculous to judge a guy after having only played a handful of games, especially after he hasn't played in anyway that someone might consider to be poorly.

You either go all out and trade for Wilson/Fields whoever Jags pass on or take Lance. Or just bring Jimmy back, I have no faith in Alabama qbs when they have NFL talent up and down that offense

"I have no faith in Texas Tech QB's/Air Raid QBs, they all suck in the NFL, Mahomes will be like the rest."

"I have no faith in Tedford QB's, every single one has been a huge bust. Aaron Rodgers is just going to be another Trent Dilfer/Akili Smith/Joey Harrington/David Carr/Kyle Boller."

"I have no faith in Clemson QB's, none of them are ever any good, they get carried by the talent around them, that is why I don't think Deshaun Watson is going to work in the NFL."

Judging a player based on a system, coach or the results of past players never makes any sense. You judge them individually based on their own merits.

Also Bama isn't like Bama of even five years ago, they've shifted completely away from the "run the football all day, play defense and grind the clock down" approach to "If our defense can't stop you then we'll just simply outscore you...#YOLO!" style. The QB's are now expected to guide an aggressive passing attack and not just be game managers. To play QB there you need to be able to throw the football to all levels of the field, being highly accurate and consistent which is what Mac Jones has done, running that offense at an incredibly high level this season/.

I really am impressed with jones. His arm strength is probably average but he looks so fundamentally sound and throws a nice ass deep ball. No doubt Kyle is looking at him as a possible option as well.

I agree that you can't judge a QB or any player based on the team he plays for. Having talent around you certainly helps but it doesn't mean that's the only reason you're good. The reason those teams are loaded with talent is they only recruit the best available. If you're on one of those teams you have to be pretty damn good. Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Georgie pick off about 50% of the 5 star blue chippers every year. There's only about 30-35 of those guys in a typical year. Every year there are players that rise up into the first round after the combine. This year will probably see even more of those guys because of the screwed up college season.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I agree that you can't judge a QB or any player based on the team he plays for. Having talent around you certainly helps but it doesn't mean that's the only reason you're good. The reason those teams are loaded with talent is they only recruit the best available. If you're on one of those teams you have to be pretty damn good. Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Georgie pick off about 50% of the 5 star blue chippers every year. There's only about 30-35 of those guys in a typical year. Every year there are players that rise up into the first round after the combine. This year will probably see even more of those guys because of the screwed up college season.

And Jones wasn't some walk on scrub. He was a three star that was heavily recruited by numerous other schools including Georgia, Kentucky, Texas A&M, Baylor, Ole Miss, Florida, Missouri, Oklahoma State and others. Alabama greatly stepped up their QB recruiting game and having Tua, Hurts and Jones in the same locker room is validation of their efforts.

I feel like he reminds me of Goff, only he can handle pressure

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I feel like he reminds me of Goff, only he can handle pressure

That sounds like the makings of a super bowl caliber quarterback

Mac is probably the most realistic option if we needed to draft a QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I feel like he reminds me of Goff, only he can handle pressure

Ooh, that's not a bad call at all. I see it.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Comparison of Bama QBs and their top seasons.

AJ McCarron in 14 games-211/314, 67.1%, 2,933 yds. 30 TD, 3 INT, 9.3 YPA, 175.3 QB rating.

Tua in 9 games-180/252, 71.4%, 2,840 yds. 33 TD, 3 INT. 11.3 YPA, 206.9 QB rating.

Mac Jones in 9 games thus far-193/255, 75.7%, 3,113 yds. 27 TD, 3 INT, 12.2 YPA, 210.82 QB rating.

forget the stats...

first of all, you should compare who the 3 played those years.

then, throwing everything aside, how do you rank them personally?

Originally posted by MoeJontana84:
Mac is probably the most realistic option if we needed to draft a QB.

possibly, but please, not in the 1st round...

he can be like Jimmy, gets drafted in the 2nd round.. but please, not between 10 to 20..

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I feel like he reminds me of Goff, only he can handle pressure

Ooh, that's not a bad call at all. I see it.

yup similar build (both got those chicken legs lol). Arm talent I would say is similar (Goff might be a little better) both throw a great ball overall.

Goff did play in that Bear-raid offense in Cal, Jones is in a much more pro-style offense. I actually think Goff handled pressure better in college in the pros.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by MoeJontana84:
Mac is probably the most realistic option if we needed to draft a QB.

possibly, but please, not in the 1st round...

he can be like Jimmy, gets drafted in the 2nd round.. but please, not between 10 to 20..

While I don't see him as a top 15 pick either, you can't just "wait" on drafting a QB if you think he's the FQB.

You have to be cool with the idea he's not available in the 2nd (if you're waiting) and if that's the case should you really be counting on him to be the FQB

Another week, another fantastic performance by Mac. One play stood out even though there were a ton (especially to Devonte) but it was a screen pass to Najee where Najee stumbled when picking a defender. Mac didn't panic and waited until the last absolute second before getting hit to throw it to Najee, who then had his o-line ready to block for him.

Showed toughness, patience, awareness, and trust in his playmaker.

Also, I know Stingley's been hurt, but Smith's TD in the corner of the endzone

His pocket was so clean against LSU, he just stood there waiting for a fast receiver to break open. He did not have to escape pressure very many times.

But yea, he looked great, late 1st round QB.