Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I wanted to build off this video THL found. Great stuff.

Positives:
• Top intermediate route thrower. Tom Brady comp because of this. From 7-20 yards: PA over, digs routes, corner routes, etc. Most ideal with a run-first PA team.
• Great on timing and throwing of open routes
• Film; understands why the play is called and where to go
• Can layer the routes (great touch over the LB and in front of the DB)
• Elite touch passer (all levels) esp. on 3rd downs and does it consistently
• Leverage; another term for proper ball placement away from the defender that's advantageous for the receiver and helps with optimal RAC
• NFL throws despite top receiving talent
• Execution; dude just executes the concepts exactly as drawn up. Very little poor/over throws or mistakes or being fooled by the defense

Negatives:
• Long base. Over striding. This can lead to poor foot mechanics, timing, low velocity or inaccurate throws. It needs to be more compact. This is an area even he stated he needs to continue to work on (self-aware)
• Lack of mobility; not going to run zone reads or a large number of bootlegs (Kyle runs roughly 35 of these a year. You expect half that with Jones) and when they are called, it'll need to be a quick high-low concept with check-downs. No issues with PA though which we run 25% of the time (QB's back to the defense too)
• He's gotta remember where his check downs are. Don't take sacks
• Unknown; not much film on quick passes like slants, outs and hitches. Not the bubbles or spokes but the timing on the quick routes in reading CB's and LB's right away and getting the ball out accurately with precise timing. He did them but there wasn't much film on this. Part of that was because his downfield game was great and they didn't need to do this because if the running success on first down.
• Struggles with throwing on the run. Not fluid
• Only 17 starts; not a ton of reps

Overall:
• His offense was built to run on first downs and running passing concepts off that. He was asked to do a lot on 3rd downs and RZ as a result.
• He especially needs to go to a team with a great defense, running game and play makers but could win you Superbowls and be your FQB for 15 years
• Intangibles, very impressive, self-aware of areas to work on, who he is (genuine) and talent around him. Humble. Stayed at Alabama.
• Original pick 20-30 to stash for a couple years.

Now, think of these things in terms of Kyle and what he asks of his QB and you can see why Simms would be "shocked" if he didn't draft him at 3.

NC, watch this one. This dude is the best QB evaluator on the Internet that I've found. He's a former NFL QB and current QB coach.

She's the best QB evaluator on the internet? JFC how have I missed this guy

lol just giving you a hard time Hero..

Originally posted by lamontb:
It's the razorback

I'm really thinking that they are picking Jones

It's a little scary 'cause if there is one media guy who is deep in 49ers knowledge, it is Maiocco, and he thinks that Kyle really does prefer Jones.

Originally posted by English:
So here we are. Half of the webzone will clearly need to be put on suicide watch if we take him. Yet Maiocco, who most of the website including myself respect, appears to think that we could and should take him.

sigh. Life, huh?

I'm going 75% will lose their minds

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by bigdawg49:
First of all I don't know how anybody can say Mac Jones is the pick when the draft is only a month away. Does anybody in their right mind really think the niners mortgaged their farm for Mac Jones? Really? I don't care what chris Simms says. I don't care what michael silver says. I don't care what maiocco says. The only thing I care about is what shanahan and lynch have said. I know for a fact that they would not mortgage the future for a quarterback like Mac Jones. Does anybody really think they're that stupid.

Do you? Please, tell us how you know this for a fact? And just so we're clear, if Mac Jones is the pick at 3 it would show Shanny and Lunch to be stupid? So Shanny would go from one of the leagues top football minds to just stupid? Man, talk about bipolar

Look, I'd prefer Zach Wilson or Justin Fields. But one thing I've learned about Shanny is that, when it comes to player personnel, he's stubbornly scheme specific, sometimes much to my chagrin. But in Shanny I trust. Of all the QB's we think will be available to us at pick 3 Mac Jones is the most scheme fit, and arguably the most NFL ready.

If Shanny feels that Mac Jones is the guy, if he's the one we've mortgaged multiple future top picks for, imma trust that he's our best pick. To date Shanny & Lynch have been extremely good at drafting, which tells me that they're tops at evaluating talent. I've seen nothing that would make me think that they didn't know what the fukk they were doing.

So while I'd rather have Justin Fields or Zach Wilson (who'll likely go to the Jets at 2) I'm mocking Mac Jones at 3. And you know what, imma be excited if it is Mac Jones. And so should you.

Yeah, in Shanahan the coach I trust. He is in my opinion top two or three coaches in this league. But Shanahan the Personnel guy... especially as it relates to quarterbacks has left a lot to be desired. I'm just hoping that he learned from his mistake of passing on Mahomes and Watson. I just can't imagine that he can watch last years Super Bowl and not wish he had a the quarterback on the other side. I mean you can be a pocket passer that has elite arm strength and mobility for when you need it. It's never a negative.

I won't be happy with this being the pick given what we gave up... especially if he sits behind Jimmy... so he will then play once Mack retires and Williams becomes complacent over there at LT with all his money... yeah solid job Kyle!

really hoping it's not Jones

Mac is an elite deep ball thrower, and elite in pocket manipulation. He's just not an elite athlete. He's just not a running or scrambling QB.

Oddly enough... He, Manning, and Mahomes all ran about the same 40.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Mac is an elite deep ball thrower, and elite in pocket manipulation. He's just not an elite athlete. He's just not a running or scrambling QB.

Oddly enough... He, Manning, and Mahomes all ran about the same 40.

That's not fair. When Manning looks down he gains 7 yards.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by English:
So here we are. Half of the webzone will clearly need to be put on suicide watch if we take him. Yet Maiocco, who most of the website including myself respect, appears to think that we could and should take him.

sigh. Life, huh?

I'm going 75% will lose their minds

Well as soon as the news hit me Maiocco on Sirius assumed it was for Trey Lance or Justin fields, because he said you don't trade 3 first round picks for a prospect like Mac Jones.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Good find!

I'll give him this the guy is smart with a undergraduate and masters degree already Vs fields who's still working on his degree in P.E.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I told you coaches are stubborn.

And this isn't just Kyle. This has to also be the red lobster Mike Shanahan onboard with Mac Jones as well. This is what they like. This is who they are.

And the only QBs he's ever won with were guys with elite traits in Elway/Young.

kyle lost a SB in part because Ryan wasn't athletic enough to avoid a sack. We lost to KC in part because Mahomes has athletic ability and a special arm (3rd & 15 play).

This team won't be marginally better with Jones and we lost first rd picks in multiple yrs on top of it. Unreal if true.

The team WILL be better with Jones. He is CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY better than Garoppolo. That would make the team better.

The issue is, would the team be even better with Fields? Part of me thinks there's still a chance.

Originally posted by KID9R:
Well as soon as the news hit me Maiocco on Sirius assumed it was for Trey Lance or Justin fields, because he said you don't trade 3 first round picks for a prospect like Mac Jones.

That's my point of confusion

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Mac is an elite deep ball thrower, and elite in pocket manipulation. He's just not an elite athlete. He's just not a running or scrambling QB.

Oddly enough... He, Manning, and Mahomes all ran about the same 40.

He's an elite deep ball thrower because his wide receivers are open by 5 yards typically. He does have a better arm than Tua, but it's not better than any of the four other quarterbacks in the first round. Why is it that nobody thought Mac Jones would be the third quarterback taken until the Niners all of a sudden traded up to that spot? Is it because Kyle coached two guys that are similar to him in Matt Ryan and Kirk cousins? Would you give up three first round picks for Kirk cousins or Matt Ryan at 22 years old?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
One of my close friends is buddies with a guy that works in the league...he occasionally drops him some "info" and for the most part has been on point, especially this yr.

He said Lance is the Niner's legit target not Mac or Fields. They don't want ATL leaping them, even if it's a small possibility... plus there no reason for them to deny anything about Mac right now it just muddies up the water for teams below them.

Sweet baby Jesus I hope he's right.

That's possible and would explain why they went to Jones' pro day (and all the hints that it could be Jones). If they love Lance, they need to make sure no one trades fifteen picks for pick 2.

Originally posted by jcs:
I'll give him this the guy is smart with a undergraduate and masters degree already Vs fields who's still working on his degree in P.E.

Oh, damn