Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by dj43:
Looking at the teams ahead of SF at #12, the only one willing to trade was Miami. All the others also wanted a QB or had their QB and wanted a specific pick that would not be there at 12. So, yes, I will tell you they were afraid of Carolina. Bridgewater was abysmal last season. No way they start the season without a new QB in the room.

If that was the case why have the Eagles now traded from #6 to #12?

Because they wanted to get to 3 to take a QB, presumably Wilson, but once we beat them to 3, they knew their chances of getting their QB at 6 was nil.

Obligatory side note about Jones:

Very accurate at all three levels, elite touch, elite mental traits.

Originally posted by Squash:
For the people convinced he's not looking at Mac Jones at all...

?t=1440

At the 24:00 minute mark:

Of course, if you can get a guy who's an elite with his arm and can play in the pocket who can do everything and still run around and make off schedule plays, I mean, it's what you've seen with Mahomes… Um, you know, and that's, I mean, everybody wants something like that. Um, but there is a risk to everything, and you gotta see that in the draft, you gotta see it in college. And…it's not that these guys are just coming… No one's probably been talented like that. I mean, some have, Elway's pretty talented… Um, and there's people, uh but more and more, there's more talented players playing these positions in college so I do think there's more options coming into the league… Um, but if you can't sit in that pocket and play the position eventually it's not going to matter. So they both go hand in hand…

Tried my best to transcribe, apologies if I left something out. There's some other nice tidbits in there as well, regards to not tipping their hats by visiting QB's and saying once they traded up he felt comfortable in going to see Jones(beginning portion of interview), as well as his stance on Kirk Cousins(after that 24:00 minute segment).

If Kyle picks Mac ill be fine with it. I still prefer Fields but Mac will do well in Kyle's offense.

Originally posted by Squash:

For the people convinced he's not looking at Mac Jones at all...

?t=1440

At the 24:00 minute mark:

Of course, if you can get a guy who's an elite with his arm and can play in the pocket who can do everything and still run around and make off schedule plays, I mean, it's what you've seen with Mahomes… Um, you know, and that's, I mean, everybody wants something like that. Um, but there is a risk to everything, and you gotta see that in the draft, you gotta see it in college. And…it's not that these guys are just coming… No one's probably been talented like that. I mean, some have, Elway's pretty talented… Um, and there's people, uh but more and more, there's more talented players playing these positions in college so I do think there's more options coming into the league… Um, but if you can't sit in that pocket and play the position eventually it's not going to matter. So they both go hand in hand…

Tried my best to transcribe, apologies if I left something out. There's some other nice tidbits in there as well, regards to not tipping their hats by visiting QB's and saying once they traded up he felt comfortable in going to see Jones(beginning portion of interview), as well as his stance on Kirk Cousins(after that 24:00 minute segment).

This is what I found most interesting in the interview. Kyle cares about what's in between the guy's ears. This COULD signal that Mac is the pick, but doesn't guarantee it. From what I've been seeing said about the players, Wilson is also very "heady" and knows his stuff. I'm wondering how much talk Kyle and Saleh have had. There's no way that they haven't discussed the draft as friends, right? You don't spend that much time together over 3 years and not throw him a bone.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Kyle Shanahan made it clear that he's less concerned with finding his "prototypical" quarterback and more focused on finding an elite player, which he believes will be there at three overall. #49ers

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) March 29, 2021

That rules out Mac

Rob Lowder is as connected as fans on this site. He's just one of many talking heads like Cohn.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Kyle Shanahan made it clear that he's less concerned with finding his "prototypical" quarterback and more focused on finding an elite player, which he believes will be there at three overall. #49ers

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) March 29, 2021

That rules out Mac

Rob Lowder is as connected as fans on this site. He's just one of many talking heads like Cohn.

Maybe, but he's paraphrasing exactly what Shanahan said at their press conference.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by jcs:
I'll give him this the guy is smart with a undergraduate and masters degree already Vs fields who's still working on his degree in P.E.

So what? Probably because Fields knew he was going to have a career as an NFL player. Where Jones before this year probably didn't.

Isn't Jones masters in culinary arts?

" Sports hospitality" apparently

Originally posted by Heroism:
NC, watch this one. This dude is the best QB evaluator on the Internet that I've found. He's a former NFL QB and current QB coach.

Oh man, that was terrific. I didn't realize how much pre snap motion they ran either. But that's just great QB play. Period!

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by jcs:
I'll give him this the guy is smart with a undergraduate and masters degree already Vs fields who's still working on his degree in P.E.

So what? Probably because Fields knew he was going to have a career as an NFL player. Where Jones before this year probably didn't.

Isn't Jones masters in culinary arts?

" Sports hospitality" apparently

So not exactly quantum physics. Smh

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by jcs:
I'll give him this the guy is smart with a undergraduate and masters degree already Vs fields who's still working on his degree in P.E.

Oh, damn

I had to read that twice. I didn't know that was Fields major.

Apparently you can work on a P.E. degree online at Ohio St. Sounds fishy.

There are articles out there that have him saying he rarely goes to a class and opts for online course work.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by Heroism:
NC, watch this one. This dude is the best QB evaluator on the Internet that I've found. He's a former NFL QB and current QB coach.

Watch that throw at the 29min mark

Yet people want to question his arm strength and say he can't make spectacular off platform throws. There is tons of clips of him doing it when he needs to, he just didn't have to do it much in Bama's offense.

I know Shanny is seeing a younger more disciplined Matt Ryan, who also just happened to go 3rd overall too.

I feel like the ones saying theyll jump off a bridge if kyle drafts him, haven't actually looked at his tape

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Mac is an elite deep ball thrower, and elite in pocket manipulation. He's just not an elite athlete. He's just not a running or scrambling QB.

Oddly enough... He, Manning, and Mahomes all ran about the same 40.

He's an elite deep ball thrower because his wide receivers are open by 5 yards typically. He does have a better arm than Tua, but it's not better than any of the four other quarterbacks in the first round. Why is it that nobody thought Mac Jones would be the third quarterback taken until the Niners all of a sudden traded up to that spot? Is it because Kyle coached two guys that are similar to him in Matt Ryan and Kirk cousins? Would you give up three first round picks for Kirk cousins or Matt Ryan at 22 years old?

If being open by five yards is what affects deep ball accuracy then Jimmy wouldn't have missed Bourne for the game winner in week 1 or the Super Bowl winner to Sanders last year.

All of this.

KS knows his system works. We have seen guys WIDE OPEN since he has been out HC.

Mullens could process the play and early on he was hitting them..but teams made adjustments and Mullens was hurt by his noodle arm and then imploded mentally

Beathard had the arm and would stand in the pocket but couldn't process the game fast enough

Jimmy G saw his accuracy fall apart (maybe due to all the injuries) and was missing easy ones (forget the SB...look at Week 1 v AZ and how bad he looked)

Mac Jones is not elite athletically. However, he appears to be elite with the pocket QB specific skills (footwork...manipulating the D and play recognition etc.)

He also has "good enough" athletic traits (scrambling/arm strength etc.).

Mac Jones fits the KS system like a glove...he will nail the wide open targets KS schemes open

The question becomes how will Mac Jones deal with an elite D that can counter what KS schemes up...that is where the running QBs help because they offer the random chance of a run.

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
If being open by five yards is what affects deep ball accuracy then Jimmy wouldn't have missed Bourne for the game winner in week 1 or the Super Bowl winner to Sanders last year.

No, it shows how terrible Jimmy is at the deep ball. Most competent quarterbacks make those throws. Why do you think we never take deep shots with him? Even when we had Goodwin we just wouldn't do it.

Deep passes are always tight windows because being off a couple of degrees at launch point result in a further distance from the intended target than a pass much shorter with the same degrees of initial inaccuracy. Think of sunlight flux. Same concept. The further away you are, the further apart field lines are.

If someone is accurate on deep passes it is because they are accurate on deep passes.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Kyle Shanahan made it clear that he's less concerned with finding his "prototypical" quarterback and more focused on finding an elite player, which he believes will be there at three overall. #49ers

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) March 29, 2021

That rules out Mac

Rob Lowder is as connected as fans on this site. He's just one of many talking heads like Cohn.

Maybe, but he's paraphrasing exactly what Shanahan said at their press conference.

Yeah, but "elite player" doesn't automatically mean "guy who can make forty yard touchdown runs" to Shanahan. We'll see, but Jones would absolutely not surprise me at all.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Kyle Shanahan made it clear that he's less concerned with finding his "prototypical" quarterback and more focused on finding an elite player, which he believes will be there at three overall. #49ers

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) March 29, 2021

That rules out Mac

Rob Lowder is as connected as fans on this site. He's just one of many talking heads like Cohn.

Maybe, but he's paraphrasing exactly what Shanahan said at their press conference.

Yeah, but "elite player" doesn't automatically mean "guy who can make forty yard touchdown runs" to Shanahan. We'll see, but Jones would absolutely not surprise me at all.

Eh, it'd be a real stretch to consider Mac Jones an elite player, unless you're really emphasizing the Eli in elite.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

So not exactly quantum physics. Smh

I do think it reflects a certain level of work ethic if you go out and finish a Master's degree by 22 while being the starting QB for a national championship team. Hard to disparage that level of dedication.