Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
This thread is ridiculous.

We hire Kyle Shanahan, the offensive genius, to win us Lombardi trophies, but we don't give him the quarterback that allows him to run his offense? We just don't seem to grasp this is not a physical position. All the great quarterbacks beat you with their heads, not their physical prowess. Physical specimens at the position are a dime a dozen. The guys that have minds so quick that no matter what you try to do to stop them, they make what you just did wrong. That, folks, is he way to win against the intelligent defenses of the NFL today.

Kyle can't trust Jimmy Garoppolo. The lack of trust runs so deep that he only threw eight times against Green Bay in the playoffs. Every game, he knows there will be a least a couple of WTF plays. He can't play his game of making you defend "every blade of grass", because everybody in the league knows Jimmy can't hit the deep ball. The world Screams "Lets Make Garoppolo Beat Us" Every Sunday. We Lost the Super Bowl because Jimmy couldn't hit Sanders when he beat his man by five yards. But, Mac is no good because his guys get open too often.

Mac Jones Never has WTF plays. Mac Jones hits the deep balls. Mac Jones is The Man that Shanahan can trust. If we can't see that, we are selfish in our biases and not good fans. Either trust Shanahan to go get his man, or now is the time to go find your next head coach. Not.

OK, yes, you need good enough physical traits. We can't do it with noodle arm Sean Hill. Mac's deep balls show he has enough arm strength. Oh, but he's slow. His 40 time is 4.79. Jimmy Garoppolo's is 4.97. Joe Montana's is 4.7. Tua's is 4.90. Hell, Jerry freakin Rice's is 4.71

How about the latest Super Bowl winning quarterbacks? Per Google:

Tom Brady 5.28

Patrick Mahomes 4.80 4.80, people. Does that surprise you?

Tom Brady 5.28

Nick foles 5.14

Tom Brady 5.28

Peyton Manning 4.80

Tom Brady 5.28

Russsell Wilson 4.55

Joe Flacco 4.84

Eli Manning 4.92

Aaron Rodgers 4.71

Drew Brees 4.83

Ben Roethlisberger 4.75

Eli Manning 4.92

Peyton Manning 4.80

Ben Roethlisberger 4.75

Tom Brady 5.28

TomBrady 5.28

Brad Johnson 5.02

Tom Brady 5.28

Trent Dilfer 4.7

So, 5 of the last 21 Super Bowls winners were quarterbacked by oh so slightly faster men. Less than 24 percent. Man, don't give me that loser. (Oh Wait, he's the National Champion?) Give me somebody more athletic, and I will develop his mental quickness to that of the top five out of 330 million.

Good Luck.

I don't think anybody here is judging quarterback solely on their 40 times. I think you're confusing 40 times with mobility/scrambling to create space and make throws downfield. In the Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Zach Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson mold. The prototypical NFL quarterback is changing.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
f**k, its gonna be a month of this huh?

I know its going to be a long month...

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Does anyone else chuckle at the he had WR's talking points?

Go to any game thread, all you hear is how 49er QBs cant find or hit the open WR.

So of course lets knock a guy who finds the open WR.

Its almost like the 49ers have been throwing day one picks at WRs and want a QB that will find them......

There is a difference with hitting a wide open 1st read a lot of the time (Mac) , vs finding an open WR

This is such nonsense. My guess is you only watch highlights if you think Mac is mostly hitting open 1st read options.

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Man, what Chris Simms says here at 39:00 is everything I need to hear.



"He's the quickest decision maker I've ever seen. His arm is better than Joe Burrow." ~ CS

He also thinks Zac Wilson is better than Trevor Lawrence. Do you agree with that as well?

This is some of the most absurd b******t I've heard. His arm talent most certainly not better. there isn't a single person that thinks his arm talent is better than Burrow.

His decision making lol. Almost 35% of his throws were made at or behind the LOS...should I throw it a open Smith or check it down to Harris. People talk about his footwork which is fine under structure but when forced to move around it's not good at all.

listening to Chris Simms talk about draft prospects is like listening to a 10 yr old talk about their favorite sports player lol.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Does anyone else chuckle at the he had WR's talking points?

Go to any game thread, all you hear is how 49er QBs cant find or hit the open WR.

So of course lets knock a guy who finds the open WR.

Its almost like the 49ers have been throwing day one picks at WRs and want a QB that will find them......

There is a difference with hitting a wide open 1st read a lot of the time (Mac) , vs finding an open WR

This is such nonsense. My guess is you only watch highlights if you think Mac is mostly hitting open 1st read options.

Of the 5 top QB prospects he ranks last on rating when not throwing to his 1st read .

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by KID9R:
Yeah you should be able to find a quarterback to hit wide open wide receivers for less than three first round picks. A 3 first round pick quarterback should be able to do more than that.

Yet, some wants us to take a pair of them that needs to learn how to do that.

What are you talking about? Justin fields is one of the most accurate quarterbacks in college.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Man, what Chris Simms says here at 39:00 is everything I need to hear.



"He's the quickest decision maker I've ever seen. His arm is better than Joe Burrow." ~ CS

He also thinks Zac Wilson is better than Trevor Lawrence. Do you agree with that as well?

This is some of the most absurd b******t I've heard. His arm talent most certainly not better. there isn't a single person that thinks his arm talent is better than Burrow.

His decision making lol. Almost 35% of his throws were made at or behind the LOS...should I throw it a open Smith or check it down to Harris. People talk about his footwork which is fine under structure but when forced to move around it's not good at all.

listening to Chris Simms talk about draft prospects is like listening to a 10 yr old talk about their favorite sports player lol.

Burrow had 124 right window throws completed to evaluate during his senior year

Mac had only 44 .

Originally posted by NYniner85:
This is some of the most absurd b******t I've heard. His arm talent most certainly not better. there isn't a single person that thinks his arm talent is better than Burrow.

His decision making lol. Almost 35% of his throws were made at or behind the LOS...should I throw it a open Smith or check it down to Harris. People talk about his footwork which is fine under structure but when forced to move around it's not good at all.

listening to Chris Simms talk about draft prospects is like listening to a 10 yr old talk about their favorite sports player lol.

This!

Originally posted by Nastastical:
This is such nonsense. My guess is you only watch highlights if you think Mac is mostly hitting open 1st read options.

145 of his 400 passing attempts were either at the LOS of behind it.

this video was posted earlier and it's a great honest breakdown of him good/bad

Originally posted by Eastcoast49er:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
f**k, its gonna be a month of this huh?

I know its going to be a long month...

Alex Smith vs Aaron Rogers all over again.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
This thread is ridiculous.

We hire Kyle Shanahan, the offensive genius, to win us Lombardi trophies, but we don't give him the quarterback that allows him to run his offense? We just don't seem to grasp this is not a physical position. All the great quarterbacks beat you with their heads, not their physical prowess. Physical specimens at the position are a dime a dozen. The guys that have minds so quick that no matter what you try to do to stop them, they make what you just did wrong. That, folks, is he way to win against the intelligent defenses of the NFL today.

Kyle can't trust Jimmy Garoppolo. The lack of trust runs so deep that he only threw eight times against Green Bay in the playoffs. Every game, he knows there will be a least a couple of WTF plays. He can't play his game of making you defend "every blade of grass", because everybody in the league knows Jimmy can't hit the deep ball. The world Screams "Lets Make Garoppolo Beat Us" Every Sunday. We Lost the Super Bowl because Jimmy couldn't hit Sanders when he beat his man by five yards. But, Mac is no good because his guys get open too often.

Mac Jones Never has WTF plays. Mac Jones hits the deep balls. Mac Jones is The Man that Shanahan can trust. If we can't see that, we are selfish in our biases and not good fans. Either trust Shanahan to go get his man, or now is the time to go find your next head coach. Not.

OK, yes, you need good enough physical traits. We can't do it with noodle arm Sean Hill. Mac's deep balls show he has enough arm strength. Oh, but he's slow. His 40 time is 4.79. Jimmy Garoppolo's is 4.97. Joe Montana's is 4.7. Tua's is 4.90. Hell, Jerry freakin Rice's is 4.71

How about the latest Super Bowl winning quarterbacks? Per Google:

Tom Brady 5.28

Patrick Mahomes 4.80 4.80, people. Does that surprise you?

Tom Brady 5.28

Nick foles 5.14

Tom Brady 5.28

Peyton Manning 4.80

Tom Brady 5.28

Russsell Wilson 4.55

Joe Flacco 4.84

Eli Manning 4.92

Aaron Rodgers 4.71

Drew Brees 4.83

Ben Roethlisberger 4.75

Eli Manning 4.92

Peyton Manning 4.80

Ben Roethlisberger 4.75

Tom Brady 5.28

TomBrady 5.28

Brad Johnson 5.02

Tom Brady 5.28

Trent Dilfer 4.7

So, 5 of the last 21 Super Bowls winners were quarterbacked by oh so slightly faster men. Less than 24 percent. Man, don't give me that loser. (Oh Wait, he's the National Champion?) Give me somebody more athletic, and I will develop his mental quickness to that of the top five out of 330 million.

Good Luck.

You can check my posts in this thread, I'm a big Jones fan. But giving up what we gave up to draft Jones doesn't make sense.

Yes he can run Kyle's offense. Yes he's possibly an upgrade over Jimmy, certainly contract wise but his ceiling is limited.

Especially if we're serious about keeping Jimmy then Jones simply doesn't make sense. Not with giving up all that draft capital.

You take the guy with elite traits who has shown enough where you're confident in his ability to grow as a passer and NFL QB.

Jones at 12, hell yes. Jones at 3 after that trade up just doesn't make sense. Kyle has talked about changing how he evaluates players. Fields checks all the boxes Kyle talked about. Accurate, big arm, great athletic ability and he's not a guy who looks to run if his first read is covered.

We'll see what happens but I just don't see us making that jump with Jones being the target.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Burrow had 124 right window throws completed to evaluate during his senior year

Mac had only 44 .

Yup Jones also has 34% of his passes at or behind the LOS. Burrow was 16% they're not the same prospect and legit scout would agree.

So it has come. We are now comparing Mac Jones to hall of famers.

My comp for him is still Andy Dalton. Shanahan can make him a pro bowler, but we will not go anywhere in the playoffs. IMO.

Originally posted by KID9R:
I don't think anybody here is judging quarterback solely on their 40 times. I think you're confusing 40 times with mobility/scrambling to create space and make throws downfield. In the Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Zach Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson mold. The prototypical NFL quarterback is changing.

Agree and the reason is the rules changes. If not for the rules changes, then the classic QB pocket passer would still dominate the NFL. Having said that, the QBs job is really from the neck up vs the neck down - and the rules changes haven't really affected that part of the job description. A guy who can spot the free guy 10 yards downrange and hit him (I think) is as good as the guy who can scramble and gain ten yards because he *couldn't* see the guy free at 10 yards. It's a wash, in my book.

Originally posted by KID9R:
I don't think anybody here is judging quarterback solely on their 40 times. I think you're confusing 40 times with mobility/scrambling to create space and make throws downfield. In the Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Zach Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson mold. The prototypical NFL quarterback is changing.

Changing, no. Evolving yes.

But one can have success with both. What we need is a FQB, and I could care less if he is mobile or not. Mobility is not a need though to be able to succeed at the position.