Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Giedi:
I still think Trey and Justin are in play. This stuff about Mac - to me - is more smoke and mirrors. I think they are doing it so that (as others have said) the teams picking behind us don't jump in front of us to get either Tray or Justin. I mean yes it's a very low chance any team behind us will do so, but still there is that risk, and so ShanaLynch have to pretend they like Mac to prevent that.

If that happens then they draft Zach Wilson.

The only way that scenario makes sense is if they like Lance or Fields way more than they like Wilson.

Otherwise I think the simple answer is that Shanahan doesn't give a crap about what the talking heads are thinking, if they knew what they were talking about, they'd have NFL jobs.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by illinois9er:
I'm starting to move past the denial stage and floating into a level of acceptance.

I still think Trey and Justin are in play. This stuff about Mac - to me - is more smoke and mirrors. I think they are doing it so that (as others have said) the teams picking behind us don't jump in front of us to get either Tray or Justin. I mean yes it's a very low chance any team behind us will do so, but still there is that risk, and so ShanaLynch have to pretend they like Mac to prevent that.

I don't think the jets or jags would trade regardless of any offer.

imo Kyle likes 2 of them (maybe 3) easy and I actually take him at his word that he has a month to come to a decision. I didn't think I he was locked in. In fact I feel like he doesn't want to lock in at this point.

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
You guys are letting the QB market dictate how good some of these guys actually are. Mac Jones is a 3rd rounder in most drafts and is significantly less talented than the rest of the Tier 1 group.

One of the absolute worst takes in a thread full of terrible takes.

Im sorry I dont think Jones is special, but that's my opinion.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
You guys are letting the QB market dictate how good some of these guys actually are. Mac Jones is a 3rd rounder in most drafts and is significantly less talented than the rest of the Tier 1 group.

One of the absolute worst takes in a thread full of terrible takes.

Im sorry I dont think Jones is special, but that's my opinion.

I hear you. I'm not saying Jones is bad or we couldn't win, but the best way I explain it is Mac is a Jimmy clone and aside (hopefully) being healthy and younger, I don't see him as an upgrade.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
You guys are letting the QB market dictate how good some of these guys actually are. Mac Jones is a 3rd rounder in most drafts and is significantly less talented than the rest of the Tier 1 group.

One of the absolute worst takes in a thread full of terrible takes.

Im sorry I dont think Jones is special, but that's my opinion.

Not 2 future first round picks he's not.Haha. They're going for the next Watson/Cunningham mix. This is just an attempt at the greatest smokescreen coverup in human history. Either that or have Wilson and don't want somebody jumping them🤔😉

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
After reading through much of this thread today...

So glad I like Mac Jones even though I'd prefer Fields. If after a month more of due diligence and watching tape of all four QBs Shanahan still takes Mac Jones then to me he thinks he is just better than Fields/Lance in his eyes and that's good with me. We win that Super Bowl if Jones was QB and not Jimmy. He is an immediate upgrade.

No matter who we pick I'm gonna be While most of you will now dread the draft because of the possibility of a Jones selection, I'm super excited at all possibilities and the positives each of these QBs can bring to us.

IMO there would be a massive part of the fna base that would seriously question Kyle and his ability to scout/develop top tier QBs, if Mac was the pick.

If he feels he can win with subpar talent fine, the benefit of that is you DO NOT have to spend up for that. Go get a Mills type talent in the 2nd/3rd. Giving up 3 1sts for Jones would be one of the dumbest things I can think a teams done in a very very long time.

The great thing is after that presser you got the sense that they know you need that elite talent to win in the NFL, you're moving up for those traits and a guy that can be a top 5 talent. Jones will never be a top 5 guy in the league imo.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
One, it's not "a couple." It's CONSISTENT and REGULAR. Second, that's another debate. It could be argued that none of these are worth 3 firsts on the grounds that at least one of them will be two places lower in the draft order, and probably even lower than that because at least two of these teams in the top 7 or so aren't taking QBs.

But there is absolutely NOT some wide gulf between Jones, Lance, and Fields. These three guys are, overall, almost the same in terms of total value. What we have here is a bunch of guys who forgot that QBs win with their brains and their accuracy in the NFL, and mobility is just a nice bonus that helps on those plays where the defense completely wins. And no, this doesn't mean I'm calling Lance or Fields dumb. Far from it. What I'm saying is their athleticism isn't nearly as big an advantage as you guys think it is. It's something that will make a difference on just a few plays per game. On every other play, what's between the ears and the right arms are what decide things. And in those categories Jones is every bit their equal or more, depending on the specific sub-category (enough, I'd argue, to make up for those few plays per game).

In other words: CALM DOWN. Even if Shanahan picks Jones, this team will be fine. If we drew straws on which of these three QBs we took, each and every one would do fine here.

This is exactly how I've seen it from the beginning. You put it so much better than I. Very well said.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
One, it's not "a couple." It's CONSISTENT and REGULAR. Second, that's another debate. It could be argued that none of these are worth 3 firsts on the grounds that at least one of them will be two places lower in the draft order, and probably even lower than that because at least two of these teams in the top 7 or so aren't taking QBs.

But there is absolutely NOT some wide gulf between Jones, Lance, and Fields. These three guys are, overall, almost the same in terms of total value. What we have here is a bunch of guys who forgot that QBs win with their brains and their accuracy in the NFL, and mobility is just a nice bonus that helps on those plays where the defense completely wins. And no, this doesn't mean I'm calling Lance or Fields dumb. Far from it. What I'm saying is their athleticism isn't nearly as big an advantage as you guys think it is. It's something that will make a difference on just a few plays per game. On every other play, what's between the ears and the right arms are what decide things. And in those categories Jones is every bit their equal or more, depending on the specific sub-category (enough, I'd argue, to make up for those few plays per game).

In other words: CALM DOWN. Even if Shanahan picks Jones, this team will be fine. If we drew straws on which of these three QBs we took, each and every one would do fine here.

This is exactly how I've seen it from the beginning. You put it so much better than I. Very well said.

And my counter to that is you can find good QBs between the ears outside of the 1st rd (let alone using 3 1sts for that). That's a learned trait....dude sat on the bench for 3 yrs learning that offense, which overall isn't some highly nuanced offense like some keep thinking. A lot of spread concepts, getting their play makers in space to beat guys one on one.... just out talent the other guy. We can find someone who cost much much less if we're looking for a dude to just run the offense under structure...Nick Mullens learned that s**t and could do it overall. It's all the other aspects of the game that can't really be taught, that's what you're giving up all those picks for.

I think this is about Trey Lance and to a lesser extent Justin Fields. They had to get in front of the Falcons, who are said to love Lance, and they must believe if the Jets DO stay at 2 and take a QB it won't be the one the 49ers want, which is why they were comfortable with making the trade to 3. Remember the Jets have Saleh/LaFleur so even though Joe Douglas has final say, they are probably targeting the same players as SF. You're going to hear a lot of things over the next 4 weeks about who the 49ers prefer, but it's all just hearsay, they're not going to leak anything.

Originally posted by FL9er:
I think this is about Trey Lance and to a lesser extent Justin Fields. They had to get in front of the Falcons, who are said to love Lance, and they must believe if the Jets DO stay at 2 and take a QB it won't be the one the 49ers want, which is why they were comfortable with making the trade to 3. Remember the Jets have Saleh/LaFleur so even though Joe Douglas has final say, they are probably targeting the same players as SF. You're going to hear a lot of things over the next 4 weeks about who the 49ers prefer, but it's all just hearsay, they're not going to leak anything.

Yeah Breer broke down the whole trade and Albright put up some stuff...kinda connect the dots.

They started sniffing around over a month ago, gauging who was willing to move down and who wasn't (gives you an idea who's in at getting a QB). They had an offer with Miami on the table 3 weeks ago. Miami said they needed to find another trade partner because they didn't want to drop to 12, so they finally got philly on board and it all happened all at once, basically a 3 way trade...SO it was never truly we're cool moving up to 5/6 they wanted 3 (NJ wasn't moving) according to Breer.

Albright right after Lance's pro day said if you want Lance you're gonna have to move into the top 3....I think Fields is without question another option, but tossing in that they're not moving Jimmy it makes me think it's gonna be Lance/Fields to sit for a yr. You're not doing that if you draft Jones IMO. Overall their presser backed up all of it too.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by HawkBearPig:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
You guys are letting the QB market dictate how good some of these guys actually are. Mac Jones is a 3rd rounder in most drafts and is significantly less talented than the rest of the Tier 1 group.

One of the absolute worst takes in a thread full of terrible takes.

Im sorry I dont think Jones is special, but that's my opinion.

if you think mac jones is a 3rd round pick your football opinion isnt really going to be respected

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And my counter to that is you can find good QBs between the ears outside of the 1st rd (let alone using 3 1sts for that). That's a learned trait....dude sat on the bench for 3 yrs learning that offense, which overall isn't some highly nuanced offense like some keep thinking. A lot of spread concepts, getting their play makers in space to beat guys one on one.... just out talent the other guy. We can find someone who cost much much less if we're looking for a dude to just run the offense under structure...Nick Mullens learned that s**t and could do it overall. It's all the other aspects of the game that can't really be taught, that's what you're giving up all those picks for.

post snap reads is maybe the hardest trait to learn in the nfl which Jones is the best out of the 3 in that regard and i think its a pretty big flaw in Fields game. Also i think he has a really quick releasr and his ball placement/accuracy is maybe the best in the class

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And my counter to that is you can find good QBs between the ears outside of the 1st rd (let alone using 3 1sts for that). That's a learned trait....dude sat on the bench for 3 yrs learning that offense, which overall isn't some highly nuanced offense like some keep thinking. A lot of spread concepts, getting their play makers in space to beat guys one on one.... just out talent the other guy. We can find someone who cost much much less if we're looking for a dude to just run the offense under structure...Nick Mullens learned that s**t and could do it overall. It's all the other aspects of the game that can't really be taught, that's what you're giving up all those picks for.

Processing speed is not a "learned trait." You either have it at a high level or you don't. The best QBs in NFL history weren't all top notch athletes but they all processed at a high level. It's completely different from being able to learn an offense which is more about rote memory and repetition.

Some people are just naturally better under fire and at making split second decisions. They didn't learn to be that way, it was God given talent.

Mac Jones couldnt beat out Tua or Hurts at Bama. I wonder why. Anyone have any thoughts or insight? Supposedly he has "it" between the ears but it took those guys leaving (or getting hurt) before he could get on the field. I just don't buy this kid as worth not only a top 3 pick but the additional first rounders they gave up. I tend to be disappointed on draft day with our first round picks. Sometimes they surprise me and find guys that end up being ballers but usually I'm not thrilled. Mike Rumph, Kentwan Balmer, Rashaun Woods, AJ Jenkins, Solomon Thomas, McGlinchey ..i know a few different GMS made these moves but man 1st round history for the 49ers is scary lmao. Another guy I remember being like WTF that ended up making me eat my words was Aldon Smith.

I said that to say this, If we take Jones #3 it will be the MOST disappointed I've ever been during the draft.

Originally posted by ritz126:
post snap reads is maybe the hardest trait to learn in the nfl which Jones is the best out of the 3 in that regard and i think its a pretty big flaw in Fields game. Also i think he has a really quick releasr and his ball placement/accuracy is maybe the best in the class

there's nothing special with how he releases the football. I'm sorry that's yet another exaggeration.

you can absolutely teach post snap reads and understand where to go with the football. Just ask Mahomes, Watson, Allen etc.

he's got great placement with the football when it's all under structure, overall with his long base and if he gets moved around, has to make off structure throws his accuracy goes down dramatically.