Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
I'm not buying this "we have a month to make our minds about which QB we want" bs from Kyle. You mortgaged the farm. No way you didn't already know who you will take.

I disagree. They're still going to watch Fields at his 2nd pro day. I can see them still trying to decide between Fields and Lance depending on one of them being there at #3. That's not a guarantee. Maybe they really want Jones but I can't see them giving up that much for a guy that might have been there at #12. They could trade back and still get him between 8-10 for sure. The Jets might surprise everyone and take one of them over Wilson. Not likely but it is possible.

IF, and it's a big **IF** --- that their preference is Mac Jones. Then the rest of the month is about whether or not Trey and Justin can make a convincing presentation to replace Mac Jones.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Exactly.

The Niners ALREADY made their decision, why they traded up.

Lol @ people looking for clues in pro day attendance AFTER the trade.

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) March 30, 2021

They don't need to hide it anymore...ShanaLynch instantly go to Mac Jones' pro day.

then why did they talk to Fields agent about setting up another pro day for Kyle to attend?

Kyle Shanahan said Justin Fields' agent said that Fields — like Mac Jones — will have a second pro day and that Shanahan will have an opportunity to see him there.

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) March 29, 2021

Why is SF trying to get Lance to have another pro day to see Lance again?

Some of you have asked whether North Dakota State's Trey Lance also would have a second pro day: The #49ers are trying to set that up. https://t.co/PSpPotHSwP

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) March 29, 2021

why has Albright said that in order to draft Lance you're gonna have to move to 3?

Thank You! Reading comprehension is a hell of a drug!! Some people on here should try it.

and for the peeps saying Kirk is Kyle prototype...like he said that's ridiculous lol

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Middling...... arm strength .......

That does not mean weak, that actually means not weak. IE Average.

When you consider no QB was more accurate with the deep ball last year, middling means nothing.

I didn't say weak actually, I said lacking arm strength. As in I felt he was lacking armstrength for a quarterback worth three first round picks.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Then one would then watch the film.

This pass, which is now my default gif when people say he can't make highly difficult throws, shows that he can fit the ball into extremely tight windows.



In what world is that pass not going to be catchable regardless of how close the DB is covering him? There are two players there in that zone. The pass wouldn't have been more accurate if he ran over there and handed it to him.

Just because he didn't have to do it as much doesn't mean he can't.

Moreover, sometimes QBs miss tight window throws because they should have thrown it elsewhere. For example:



This pass should have gone to the guy running the drag. That guy would still be running.

The point is not to slam Lance here. The point is that sometimes a pass is into a tight window because the QB errs.

lol Jones' WR had his man beat with like two yards of space...oh yes cherry pick a bad throw of Lance like that's all he does.

I can throw bad throw clips from Jones and stupid throws from Lance all the same.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

people bring up his accuracy yet only 11% of his throws were outside of the pocket. Under structure his fine. A LOT of QBs can play well when everything is under structure. If you're expecting that in the NFL then you're not being realistic.

Roll outs can certainly help accuracy and simply reads. We all watched Steve bootleg against dallas when everything was in shambles then watched an entire season of Alex Smith praying to God the next play call was a bootleg.

But

Jones doesn't have an accuracy issue, nor a problem reading defenses. He is absolutely fine dealing with pressure in the pocket. In fact NO QB in college last season was better at it.

TOTAL QBR Pressured (per ESPN)

Jones 78.8

Wilson 44.0

Lawrence 33.4

Fields 22.6

Whatever quirks he has in his set up or base, its hardly a major thing, that is what NFL QB coaches are for.

Originally posted by KID9R:
I didn't say weak actually, I said lacking arm strength. As in I felt he was lacking armstrength for a quarterback worth three first round picks.

That makes sense....

3 first round draft choices is Jeff George after he picks up a solid steroid habit....

NCommand gonna run wild trolling the anti-Jones crowd for the next month.

Mac Jones looks like hes in his 2nd trimester in this video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xWdqUNV-xPI

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by KID9R:
I didn't say weak actually, I said lacking arm strength. As in I felt he was lacking armstrength for a quarterback worth three first round picks.

That makes sense....

3 first round draft choices is Jeff George after he picks up a solid steroid habit....

That makes sense....

All strong armed QBs are busts. Everybody knows that.
Even Mahomes and Allen.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Can I get the WR separation on those throws please?

bit weird to criticize a qb for taking advantage of using his weapons

Not at all. When you clearly have the best weapons/players in college football around you and are throwing to receivers that have 5+ yards separation it's completely fair to ask if he could make those same plays in the NFL where that kind of separation happens very rarely.

Then one would then watch the film.

This pass, which is now my default gif when people say he can't make highly difficult throws, shows that he can fit the ball into extremely tight windows.



In what world is that pass not going to be catchable regardless of how close the DB is covering him? There are two players there in that zone. The pass wouldn't have been more accurate if he ran over there and handed it to him.

Just because he didn't have to do it as much doesn't mean he can't.

Moreover, sometimes QBs miss tight window throws because they should have thrown it elsewhere. For example:



This pass should have gone to the guy running the drag. That guy would still be running.

The point is not to slam Lance here. The point is that sometimes a pass is into a tight window because the QB errs.

Hell of a catch #6 Smith. Maybe 20% WRs make that catch twisting their body. As tight as that throw maybe, equal if not better reception. Looks at #6 the whole time.

I watched that play about 10-15 times (posted about it a ways back) look at where he was when he identified the throw (far hash) watch him hop left 3 or 4 strides and then still not be able to drive the football.

The underneath defender was toast, it was all about beating the safety, all the other QB's in the discussion cannon it over there on a rope with their superior arm's.

Mac does this stuff in the league a safety is keying on it and intercepting it. You almost can't call that concept, at least not to the field side.

You don't draft a player with limitations like that at #3, and you certainly don't give up what we did to do so.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Roll outs can certainly help accuracy and simply reads. We all watched Steve bootleg against dallas when everything was in shambles then watched an entire season of Alex Smith praying to God the next play call was a bootleg.

But

Jones doesn't have an accuracy issue, nor a problem reading defenses. He is absolutely fine dealing with pressure in the pocket. In fact NO QB in college last season was better at it.

TOTAL QBR Pressured (per ESPN)

Jones 78.8

Wilson 44.0

Lawrence 33.4

Fields 22.6

Whatever quirks he has in his set up or base, its hardly a major thing, that is what NFL QB coaches are for.

Yeah and how often was just pressured and didn't have an open outlet available? If he didn't have that most the time or resulted in a sack, fumble, or incompletion. Only 11% of his throws were from outside the pocket and 34% where screens on top of it.

So, I've read multiple scouting reports saying this guy can't throw on the run and hasn't shown much ability in the PA/Boot game. That's a huge part of our offense.

Are those analysts wrong or is everyone out there saying he's a perfect fit/Shanahan prototype just ignoring that? Sounds like a deal breaker to me.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I watched that play about 10-15 times (posted about it a ways back) look at where he was when he identified the throw (far hash) watch him hop left 3 or 4 strides and then still not be able to drive the football.

The underneath defender was toast, it was all about beating the safety, all the other QB's in the discussion cannon it over there on a rope with their superior arm's.

Mac does this stuff in the league a safety is keying on it and intercepting it. You almost can't call that concept, at least not to the field side.

You don't draft a player with limitations like that at #3, and you certainly don't give up what we did to do so.

It's the simple truth of it.

Originally posted by FL9er:
NCommand gonna run wild trolling the anti-Jones crowd for the next month.

It's all part of his master plan to continue the push for PP. Not a QB in the tweet p 5 that will require more high end PP then Jones.

after that presser I'll be shocked if they take Jones.

O

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Can I get the WR separation on those throws please?

bit weird to criticize a qb for taking advantage of using his weapons

Not at all. When you clearly have the best weapons/players in college football around you and are throwing to receivers that have 5+ yards separation it's completely fair to ask if he could make those same plays in the NFL where that kind of separation happens very rarely.

Then one would then watch the film.

This pass, which is now my default gif when people say he can't make highly difficult throws, shows that he can fit the ball into extremely tight windows.



In what world is that pass not going to be catchable regardless of how close the DB is covering him? There are two players there in that zone. The pass wouldn't have been more accurate if he ran over there and handed it to him.

Just because he didn't have to do it as much doesn't mean he can't.

Moreover, sometimes QBs miss tight window throws because they should have thrown it elsewhere. For example:



This pass should have gone to the guy running the drag. That guy would still be running.

The point is not to slam Lance here. The point is that sometimes a pass is into a tight window because the QB errs.

Hell of a catch #6 Smith. Maybe 20% WRs make that catch twisting their body. As tight as that throw maybe, equal if not better reception. Looks at #6 the whole time.

I think Lance thought the ref was a safety at first glance...then he looked deep. Just a thought.